jumpin on the traxxas train

[9x19]

I'm a fan of a few of the Traxxas models, but don't care for the MSM videos.

He proves the old addage: Most anything that can be done, can be over-done!

 

[Lukedavis]

i think we're hitting the same point, just coming at it from different angles.

Agreed

 

[jojobeans]

this^
and to be fair, (can't believe I'm kinda defending traxxas, ill shower with scolding hot water and bleach after this post) they aren't the only ones "rereleasing" the same exact car with a new paint job and maybe "updated" electrics over and over and over and over. most RTR brands do it regularly.
but yes, him overly hyping it is annoying AF.

I’ll add to this… while it’s tiring to see nothing new from Traxxas on a regular basis. Them reusing platforms makes for good parts support and you know the weaknesses and strengths before you even buy it. It also revives interest in a car you may have lost interest in because it has a new “form” it can take on without having to buy a whole other car.

I’m confident anything I buy from them, will have parts support for a VERY long time. New RC’s from some of the other manufacturers is hard to swallow sometimes because I’m always in fear they’re going to be discontinued in a year or two in favor of the next new thing and getting parts will be difficult. Losi, HPI, associated, Kyosho, etc are all guilty of this even thought they make arguably better cars than Traxxas could ever make.

I love my Kaiju EXT so far… but I’m not holding my breath on it having support for many more years. I can trust that my sledge will have parts support 10 years from now though. So, it’s a double edged sword. But I can agree that hyping up the all new Traxxas rally that came out 10+ years ago and is based on a 4x4 platform that’s almost old enough to vote is asinine. We already know its durability, how it will handle, upgrades available, etc. No reason to hype it up like a lot of folks do/did.

 

[WickedFog]

Tomley is be one of my favorite rc youtubers. Pretty chill guy and def will say if he's not a fan of something.
He even made a vid to 'unbash' the Kyosho Phaser (?) when his fans thought his review was too harsh.
I thought that was big.
Kevin Talbot IS a crazy person and needs to be treated as such!
I like his videos but he def takes extreme R/C to new extremes!
I also like "non american" accents so thats another thing.

Talbot is an awesome guy. But I get that his regular content is pretty annoying. He just churches up his character because let's face it, it's what his fanbase wants. He's also a very, very smart dude. I don't watch his normal content, but if you watch his live streams where he is interacting with the viewers, you see the real guy.

You also see his true self if you watch his 1:1 monster truck build, which he built himself. Find me one single RC influencer on YT that could do that. So folks can hate on his channel, but to hate the man for making boatloads of money is pure jealousy, because underneath all that, I can't imagine why anyone could hate the guy. Fabricators, which is what Talbot is, are some cool peeps in my book. Worked with some of the best in the industry, and they're all really interesting guys.

 

[Lukedavis]

Talbot is an awesome guy. But I get that his regular content is pretty annoying. He just churches up his character because let's face it, it's what his fanbase wants. He's also a very, very smart dude. I don't watch his normal content, but if you watch his live streams where he is interacting with the viewers, you see the real guy.

You also see his true self if you watch his 1:1 monster truck build, which he built himself. Find me one single RC influencer on YT that could do that. So folks can hate on his channel, but to hate the man for making boatloads of money is pure jealousy, because underneath all that, I can't imagine why anyone could hate the guy. Fabricators, which is what Talbot is, are some cool peeps in my book. Worked with some of the best in the industry, and they're all really interesting guys.

He is my number 1 rc Youtuber to watch. I also kind of feel like people are starting to watch his videos less and less.

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

I’ll add to this… while it’s tiring to see nothing new from Traxxas on a regular basis. Them reusing platforms makes for good parts support and you know the weaknesses and strengths before you even buy it.

I’m confident anything I buy from them, will have parts support for a VERY long time. New RC’s from some of the other manufacturers is hard to swallow sometimes because I’m always in fear they’re going to be discontinued in a year or two in favor of the next new thing and getting parts will be difficult. Losi, HPI, associated, Kyosho, etc are all guilty of this even thought they make arguably better cars than Traxxas could ever make.

I love my Kaiju EXT so far… but I’m not holding my breath on it having support for many more years. I can trust that my sledge will have parts support 10 years from now though. So, it’s a double edged sword. But I can agree that hyping up the all new Traxxas rally that came out 10+ years ago and is based on a 4x4 platform that’s almost old enough to vote is asinine. We already know its durability, how it will handle, upgrades available, etc. No reason to hype it up like a lot of folks do/did.

and that's what suckered me into building what is technically a rustler. not joking, I'm 95% to a complete truck and iv only bought i think 6 OEM parts. those parts in various forms/part numbers have been around sense 1994. i wanted something i could beat like it owed me a large amount of money without fear of parts support and this is where i wound up. even if they stopped making the truck tomorrow they've made so many in the last 30 years and the aftermarket is so big i don't have to worry about it. wish other manufactures would realize long term parts support is good for building brand loyalty.

 

[WickedFog]

He is my number 1 rc Youtuber to watch. I also kind of feel like people are starting to watch his videos less and less.

His overacting and carrying on got a bit old for me. But I do like his live streams from time to time.

 

[CertifiedMike]

Talbot is an awesome guy. But I get that his regular content is pretty annoying. He just churches up his character because let's face it, it's what his fanbase wants. He's also a very, very smart dude. I don't watch his normal content, but if you watch his live streams where he is interacting with the viewers, you see the real guy.

You also see his true self if you watch his 1:1 monster truck build, which he built himself. Find me one single RC influencer on YT that could do that. So folks can hate on his channel, but to hate the man for making boatloads of money is pure jealousy, because underneath all that, I can't imagine why anyone could hate the guy. Fabricators, which is what Talbot is, are some cool peeps in my book. Worked with some of the best in the industry, and they're all really interesting guys.

I watched Kevins MT races. I believe hes a very real and down to earth guy in real life.
I believe most of the guys mentioned would be great fun to hang out with for an afternoon too!
I LOVE that he's taken his love of machine to FULL SIZE MONSTER TRUCK too!!!
I meant that in his vids, he takes bashing just to the point of intentful destruction... he's just on the edge.
His energy is fun and exciting and that makes his videos TONS of fun to watch!
Some of the skatepark ramp vids are just more than I'd ever think about doing to any of my RC's!

 

[D3MON]

well the traxxas is a bad company train lolol, i personally dont care about the manufacturer of my vehicle. i get that a lot of people suffer greatly from brand loyalty. be it good or bad.
i personally won't buy a pair of Nike's as they're just too pricey for a shoe, my roadie billy ONLY has nike, and generally keeps em on a shelf ( whyyyyyyyy) but hes got that brand loyalty bug.
i read today about traxxas using asbestos in a few pieces they ship out.
my thing is that weve known for a LONG time that asbestos is bad.
traxxas knew, but still said well we can get em made cheaper if we use asbestos..... fukem lets do it..
to me this is just a nasty practice. it shows that they only want my money, and would risk my son breathing in asbestos just to sell some parts.....
thankfully we arent in the EU so alledgedly dont have to worry about this.

this is NOT only in the EU, EU is just the main (only?) one with a ban to use asbestos, not technically illegal to use in US.

I buy whatever catches my attention. I don't care about what is offensive, I just wanna have fun.

We should spend more effort on educating people than banning everything that might be harmful. C'mon, most of us survived the monkey bars and scorching hot metal slides at recess, now they just have plastic monstrosities in playgrounds but complain about plastic containers.

its the fact that it was a risk that was not known, getting on the monkey bars, we knew there was a chance that we would fall off, slides baking in the sun, we knew it was hot, this is common sense.
the fact we were not told and or had hidden/(withheld?) from us, the risk is a huge problem. knowing people that have gone through complications from asbestos exposure and the like, it IS a risk that should be transparent to the consumer.
also that fact that it is used anyways, might be a small risk, however small, is it more important saving a few pennies per product worth the lives of your consumers?

 

[jojobeans]

and that's what suckered me into building what is technically a rustler. not joking, I'm 95% to a complete truck and iv only bought i think 6 OEM parts. those parts in various forms/part numbers have been around sense 1994. i wanted something i could beat like it owed me a large amount of money without fear of parts support and this is where i wound up. even if they stopped making the truck tomorrow they've made so many in the last 30 years and the aftermarket is so big i don't have to worry about it. wish other manufactures would realize long term parts support is good for building brand loyalty.

Yup, all my “hardcore” bashers are Traxxas rigs. They may not be as strong as other brands, but I can rely on aftermarket to fix any issues they have. If I decide to put it away for a few years to focus on other stuff, I can pull it back out and continue on like I never stopped. I also feel less guilty about lawn darting them and blowing them up, parts are right down the street and I don’t have to wait or deal with things being “out of stock.”

Overpriced for sure… but some of that extra cost I can justify for the actual long term support. I just wish they’d use better materials for their drivetrains… they’ve nailed plastic compounds on most of their models. But their metal quality is sub par, even compared to the cheaper Chinese brands.

this is NOT only in the EU, EU is just the main (only?) one with a ban to use asbestos, not technically illegal to use in US.


its the fact that it was a risk that was not known, getting on the monkey bars, we knew there was a chance that we would fall off, slides baking in the sun, we knew it was hot, this is common sense.
the fact we were not told and or had hidden/(withheld?) from us, the risk is a huge problem. knowing people that have gone through complications from asbestos exposure and the like, it IS a risk that should be transparent to the consumer.
also that fact that it is used anyways, might be a small risk, however small, is it more important saving a few pennies per product worth the lives of your consumers?

i don’t think they’re saving money by using asbestos. It’s less than 10% which isn’t enough to even have any of the benefits that asbestos would provide for that application. Brake pads for instance used 30-60% asbestos. Asbestos isn’t cheap either now that it’s used are limited and it’s heavily regulated.

My guess and the more likely scenario is their supplier of the material had a contamination and they don’t know when that contamination occurred… prompting the recall of all their products from that supplier from the beginning to cover their behinds.

Arrma went through a similar problem and I’m assuming their use of asbestos had a similar story behind it. No company, especially ones with as much legal backing as arrma and traxxas would use it willingly/knowingly considering the legal ramifications that come from using it.

 

[D3MON]

My guess and the more likely scenario is their supplier of the material had a contamination and they don’t know when that contamination occurred… prompting the recall of all their products from that supplier from the beginning to cover their behinds.

scenario might be believable except the fact that the recall is including products sold up to 22 years ago until last year.

 

[jojobeans]

scenario might be believable except the fact that the recall is including models sold up to 22 years ago until last year.

They’ve likely been using that same supplier for the last 22 years.

Asbestos is a naturally occuring mineral, it contaminates a lot of things… especially mining operations. Theres still more companies that are probably pulling from that same supplier(s) who have been hush hush about the whole thing.

I’m just trying to look at it from a logical standpoint. Theres a lot of emotional responses about this because of the popular distain for the company itself. Arrma went through this too and the response wasn’t anything near this dramatic when they announced it… which leads me to believe this is just more fuel for the Traxxas hate train and most people aren’t actually concerned about the health implications.

 

[CertifiedMike]

Yup, all my “hardcore” bashers are Traxxas rigs. They may not be as strong as other brands, but I can rely on aftermarket to fix any issues they have. If I decide to put it away for a few years to focus on other stuff, I can pull it back out and continue on like I never stopped. I also feel less guilty about lawn darting them and blowing them up, parts are right down the street and I don’t have to wait or deal with things being “out of stock.”

Overpriced for sure… but some of that extra cost I can justify for the actual long term support. I just wish they’d use better materials for their drivetrains… they’ve nailed plastic compounds on most of their models. But their metal quality is sub par, even compared to the cheaper Chinese brands.

i don’t think they’re saving money by using asbestos. It’s less than 10% which isn’t enough to even have any of the benefits that asbestos would provide for that application. Brake pads for instance used 30-60% asbestos. Asbestos isn’t cheap either now that it’s used are limited and it’s heavily regulated.

My guess and the more likely scenario is their supplier of the material had a contamination and they don’t know when that contamination occurred… prompting the recall of all their products from that supplier from the beginning to cover their behinds.

Arrma went through a similar problem and I’m assuming their use of asbestos had a similar story behind it. No company, especially ones with as much legal backing as arrma and traxxas would use it willingly/knowingly considering the legal ramifications that come from using it.

scenario might be believable except the fact that the recall is including products sold up to 22 years ago until last year.

Traxxasosis!!!
Actually, if the wording in the asbestos super trust fund legal class action findings expose Tracxas or Arrma to ANY of these legal risks, covering their asses is likely EXACTLY what they are doing!

 

[D3MON]

They’ve likely been using that same supplier for the last 22 years.

Asbestos is a naturally occuring mineral, it contaminates a lot of things… especially mining operations. Theres still more companies that are probably pulling from that same supplier(s) who have been hush hush about the whole thing.

if it was contamination, it would have said "been contaminated with", not contains.

 

[jojobeans]

if it was contamination, it would have said "been contaminated with", not contains.
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A contamination would result in a product containing it… you’re getting hooked on phonics.

 

[Doom!]

I still doubt there is enough Asbestos in this product to cause harm. It is all overblown. This is a case of them following the letter of the law rather than the intent of the law. It's like being suspended from school because you had a 1/6 GI-Joe gun in your pocket when a school states a zero tolerance gun policy, it's completely ridiculous.

 

[CertifiedMike]

A contamination would result in a product containing it… you’re getting hooked on phonics.

I think contamination means it wasn't intended or willful where contains means:

 

[jojobeans]

I still doubt there is enough Asbestos in this product to cause harm. It is all overblown. This is a case of them following the letter of the law rather than the intent of the law. It's like being suspended from school because you had a 1/6 GI-Joe gun in your pocket when a school states a zero tolerance gun policy, it's completely ridiculous.

They’ve already stated it’s between 2-8% and given the size of the slippers, we’re talking micro grams. Not even a perceivable amount. The EU states that it can’t contain ANY, regardless of amounts. So, I can see why the recall never have or will happen in the U.S. from both Arrma and Traxxas.

 

[D3MON]

A contamination would result in a product containing it… you’re getting hooked on phonics.

yes, but in real world verbiage, context, and intent and liability of use of those words is more than the simplified definition of the word.
this is asbestos which already has a bad rep that acts as a hot button, companies will try to minimize their involvement in using it as much as possible. you can tell by their verbiage in the safety recall pamphlet.
"was contaminated with" is a lot better look on them than "contains", any company would have used the former if they were able. the fact that the recall is only in EU, and not anywhere else also reinforces this, they are only going to go as far as the letter of the law forces them to and no further. if they were "covering their ass" as you say it would have been worldwide.

 

[D3MON]

They’ve already stated it’s between 2-8% and given the size of the slippers, we’re talking micro grams. Not even a perceivable amount. The EU states that it can’t contain ANY, regardless of amounts. So, I can see why the recall never have or will happen in the U.S. from both Arrma and Traxxas.

unless they were working in an open roof warehouse that had exposed asbestos for fireproofing/insulation (safety codes would not allow in a place of business), 22 years of 2-8% is alot more than "contaminated".