jumpin on the traxxas train

[CertifiedMike]

yes, but in real world verbiage, context, and intent and liability of use of those words is more than the simplified definition of the word.
this is asbestos which already has a bad rep that acts as a hot button, companies will try to minimize their involvement in using it as much as possible. you can tell by their verbiage in the safety recall pamphlet.
"was contaminated with" is a lot better look on them than "contains", any company would have used the former if they were able. the fact that the recall is only in EU, and not anywhere else also reinforces this, they are only going to go as far as the letter of the law forces them to and no further. if they were "covering their ass" as you say it would have been worldwide.

A volentary recall could imply guilt. I'll bet you a dollar their lawyers are better at this than both of us.

 

[jojobeans]

yes, but in real world verbiage, context, and intent and liability of use of those words is more than the simplified definition of the word.
this is asbestos which already has a bad rep that acts as a hot button, companies will try to minimize their involvement in using it as much as possible. you can tell by their verbiage in the safety recall pamphlet.
"was contaminated with" is a lot better look on them than "contains", any company would have used the former if they were able. the fact that the recall is only in EU, and not anywhere else also reinforces this, they are only going to go as far as the letter of the law forces them to and no further. if they were "covering their ass" as you say it would have been worldwide.

With that logic, they wouldn’t give a wide range for how much is in there. (2-8%)
If they were willingly putting it in, they’d know exactly how much was going into their “formula.” Right?

But again, it’s such a minuscule amount, it doesn’t do anything for performance, longevity, etc. There’s no logical reason they’d put it in there in the first place. You clearly don’t want to want to accept another view point, you’ve made up your mind and that’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion and you’ll continue to come up with ways to justify your position as I’m doing. Were walking in circles at this point. lol

Don’t buy Traxxas products and the problem is solved for you I’ll continue to huff my asbestos from my workplace where it is present is massive quantities and not worry about a barely conceivable amount in a slipper pad I may expose myself to once a year.

 

[CertifiedMike]

With that logic, they wouldn’t give a wide range for how much is in there. (2-8%)
If they were willingly putting it in, they’d know exactly how much was going into their “formula.” Right?

But again, it’s such a minuscule amount, it doesn’t do anything for performance, longevity, etc. There’s no logical reason they’d put it in there in the first place. You clearly don’t want to want to accept another view point, you’ve made up your mind and that’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion and you’ll continue to come up with ways to justify your position as I’m doing. Were walking in circles at this point. lol

Don’t buy Traxxas products and the problem is solved for you I’ll continue to huff my asbestos from my workplace where it is present is massive quantities and not worry about a barely conceivable amount in a slipper pad I may expose myself to once a year.

You just leave me and my sniffer clutch alone! YOU'RE the one with the problem!!!

 

[jojobeans]

You just leave me and my sniffer clutch alone! YOU'RE the one with the problem!!!

You’re entitled to sniff/huff/snort whatever you want! I won’t stop you! In fact, bidding for my asbestos contains slipper pads start at $15 for each pad ya junkies!

 

[jojobeans]

His overacting and carrying on got a bit old for me. But I do like his live streams from time to time.

I’ll have to watch one of his live streams. Sounds like the tone is completely different… I do like watching his videos for the wow factor. But, I can only handle so much before it’s overwhelming with the yelling. Overall his videos aren’t bad though. They definitely point out weakness if there are any.

My friends and I call him the “Tumble Wumble” man.

 

[DavidB1126]

 

[Willy0942]

Thought I'd ask
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So the answer is,,,,,,they don’t care.

 

[Doom!]

So the answer is,,,,,,they don’t care.

And neither should you because it was silly to start with.

 

[Panko75]

My take on the asbestos problem is that in most cases it won't harm you. However, some of the 4x4 models have a defect that makes them burn up slippers if you run on 3s, which could spread asbestos dust inside everywhere which is more dangerous.

As for Traxxas, I think that most of their models are poor value. I don't have a problem with them being dated, but usually when a company produces something for a long time you expect the prices to go down.

 

[jojobeans]

My take on the asbestos problem is that in most cases it won't harm you. However, some of the 4x4 models have a defect that makes them burn up slippers if you run on 3s, which could spread asbestos dust inside everywhere which is more dangerous.

As for Traxxas, I think that most of their models are poor value. I don't have a problem with them being dated, but usually when a company produces something for a long time you expect the prices to go down.

The value in Traxxas vehicles is long term parts support. I can buy a Slash 4x4 and own it for the next decade with little to no worry of it being discontinued or parts support drying up. You may have to buy a 1/10 SCT from another company 3 or 4 times in that time frame when they inevitably discontinue it and you have to buy the newest model just so you can repair it when eventually crash it. God forbid you buy it towards the end of its lifespan, then you may only get to enjoy it for a year before there's not parts available. That ends up negating any savings for the average basher. There is a LOT of value in long term support. A lot more than people talk about. I will always have at least one Traxxas vehicle in the fleet because of that. They aren't the epitome of cutting edge, but they just work and for the most part are durable. Aftermarket is so big that ANY design issue or weakness they have, can be sorted out.

TL;DR: They don't present any immediate value, the value builds on itself in the long term. I can still get parts for my T-Maxx from 2006... name one other car from a big name brand from 2006 that still has parts readily available? There isn't very many... That is almost 20 years of fun from one purchase if you take care of your stuff.

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

that should really read more as an indictment of all other manufactures rather than praise for traxxas.
just wait, in 3 years AE won't support all the RC10's they're currently charging people $400 for. no rhyme, no reason, no warning, just a silent poof, and its all gone.

 

[jojobeans]

that should really read more as an indictment of all other manufactures rather than praise for traxxas.

I couldn't agree more... unfortunately though there's very few companies offering that sort of support. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Everyone is happy to point fingers at Traxxas' flaws, but turn a blind eye to things that they do right. Support is one thing they've nailed down better than anyone else IMO whether the journey there was ethical or not.

I hold no loyalty to any brand, I'm just looking at it from a rational point of view as someone who doesn't subscribe to the drama associated with our toy cars.

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

to be fair, parts support is the only thing they do right.

 

[jojobeans]

to be fair, parts support is the only thing they do right.

So you admit they did *somthing* right!

 

[Panko75]

TL;DR: They don't present any immediate value, the value builds on itself in the long term. I can still get parts for my T-Maxx from 2006... name one other car from a big name brand from 2006 that still has parts readily available?

I can still get parts for a 1984 Tamiya Grasshopper, try finding a parts for a Bullet, TRX1, or a Sledgehammer!

 

[jimdavis577]

While they may have parts for a 10 yr old car, the reason for this is 1 it is a 10yr old car that has been regurgitated at least 3-4 times in that 10 yrs. using the EXACT same parts as at least 50% of their other "current " models. and 2 when you have at least half your fleet of models available that use the exact same parts ( while i have to say business wise this is smart) it limits the molds needed and also allows you to stock wayyyyyyyy more inventory of these parts, basically flooding the market for yrs to come.

I am not a trashxx fan at all, EXCEPT for 1 reason, they do offer an affordable ENTRY level car RTR all included for a decent price, to get a NEW racer into the hobby and learn the basics on. ANY respectable racer or semi competitive driver would not buy a Trashxx car to compete with. And I can still find parrts for my 20 yr AE rc10T4 ... although aftermarket or team parts are abit hard to find !!

 

[jojobeans]

I can still get parts for a 1984 Tamiya Grasshopper, try finding a parts for a Bullet, TRX1, or a Sledgehammer!

Tamiya is about the only company still selling parts for cars from the 80's and early 90's aside from the very recent re releases from kyosho and AE(we'll see how long those last). They definitely have that market cornered and that's their niche. A lot of respect goes out to Tamiya for keeping it retro. But, they don't do much as far as "modern" kits. Tamiya is a novelty at this point, a good novelty though, that's not necessarily a bad thing. But, their RC side of the company is surviving on a dwindling generation at this point. They'll have to make a big changes eventually to keep that afloat.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of reproduction parts available for the TRX-1 from aftermarket companies. Not every part is available, but it was also released in 1991 and up until 2010(ish) Traxxas themselves still sold a lot of parts for it. Every good thing has to come to an end eventually. But, anyone with a car from that vintage isn't going out to the skatepark to play 52 part pick up with it either.

They've kept the rustler alive since 1994. Lots of incremental updates over the years, but all parts are compatible and will bolt right up. My point still stands, they have one of THE best long term supports of their platforms out of any company right now. The maxx series of vehicles probably have another 20 years left under their belt. Traxxas will continue to make small incremental updates over the years, but if history repeats itself someone could pull their Traxxas Maxx or their sledge out of the crawlspace in 2040, head over to the hobby shop and buy an A-arm for it. Assuming the hobby or the world doesn't end before then

 

[jimdavis577]

Tamiya is about the only company still selling parts for cars from the 80's and early 90's aside from the very recent re releases from kyosho and AE(we'll see how long those last). They definitely have that market cornered and that's their niche. A lot of respect goes out to Tamiya for keeping it retro. But, they don't do much as far as "modern" kits. Tamiya is a novelty at this point, a good novelty though, that's not necessarily a bad thing. But, their RC side of the company is surviving on a dwindling generation at this point. They'll have to make a big changes eventually to keep that afloat.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of reproduction parts available for the TRX-1 from aftermarket companies. Not every part is available, but it was also released in 1991 and up until 2010(ish) Traxxas themselves still sold a lot of parts for it. Every good thing has to come to an end eventually. But, anyone with a car from that vintage isn't going out to the skatepark to play 52 part pick up with it either.

They've kept the rustler alive since 1994. Lots of incremental updates over the years, but all parts are compatible and will bolt right up. My point still stands, they have one of THE best long term supports of their platforms out of any company right now. The maxx series of vehicles probably have another 20 years left under their belt. Traxxas will continue to make small incremental updates over the years, but if history repeats itself someone could pull their Traxxas Maxx or their sledge out of the crawlspace in 2040, head over to the hobby shop and buy an A-arm for it. Assuming the hobby or the world doesn't end before then

I love tamyia , even though i dont currently have any, I wish they would re-release the OG wild willys. One the original chassis before they redid it for the first time and changed to the newer chassis and trans setup that another one of their rigs was using. I would love to find one a build a "Rat Fink Jeep"

 

[jojobeans]

I love tamyia , even though i dont currently have any, I wish they would re-release the OG wild willys. One the original chassis before they redid it for the first time and changed to the newer chassis and trans setup that another one of their rigs was using. I would love to find one a build a "Rat Fink Jeep"

My dream is a Tamiya Avante and a Nova Fox. Next house I buy is definitely having a dedicated hobby room so I can justify building all the tamiyas and having a place to display them.

 

[jojobeans]

While they may have parts for a 10 yr old car, the reason for this is 1 it is a 10yr old car that has been regurgitated at least 3-4 times in that 10 yrs. using the EXACT same parts as at least 50% of their other "current " models. and 2 when you have at least half your fleet of models available that use the exact same parts ( while i have to say business wise this is smart) it limits the molds needed and also allows you to stock wayyyyyyyy more inventory of these parts, basically flooding the market for yrs to come.

I am not a trashxx fan at all, EXCEPT for 1 reason, they do offer an affordable ENTRY level car RTR all included for a decent price, to get a NEW racer into the hobby and learn the basics on. ANY respectable racer or semi competitive driver would not buy a Trashxx car to compete with. And I can still find parrts for my 20 yr AE rc10T4 ... although aftermarket or team parts are abit hard to find !!

To be fair, if you're racing competitively, longevity of a kit is the least of your concerns and your focus should be on an entirely different class of vehicle. I'd choose my Tekno EB410.2 any day of the week for that purpose... Purely bashing, like most people do, they work fine and Traxxas' antiquated designs are a non issue. Parts support is far more important when you're talking about someone who has limited money to blow on a hobby and just wants something to bash around for a long time at the park or in their driveway. Someone who may buy a car, lose interest in a few months and want to pick it back up a few years later. Having to buy a whole new car may be the make it or break it for them getting back into it... The more people actively participating in this hobby, regardless of what they're running benefits EVERYONE.

I used to rip on Traxxas hard, but the truth of the matter is I should've bought a Slash instead of my Blitz back in 2011. Yeah the Blitz was better in literally every way, but when I got back into the hobby, no parts support. Had I bought that slash, I could've slapped a couple parts on it and been back into it for hundreds and hundreds of dollars less than buying a whole NEW car 10+ years later. Yeah it's recycled platforms, but that's not a bad thing... plenty of other companies available if you want the most advanced thing today... but the most advanced thing today is not the most advanced thing tomorrow and whatever advancements it does have mean nothing when you're scared to break it. So does it really matter if you're not racing?