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Rlaarlo 1/8th 4WD Buggy Dragon Scale Knight DSK RTR/Roller/Kit

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The first combo is similar to what Rlaarlo offers in the DSK (OEMN choices are 4274 and 4278 at 2050kv) while the second combo is a bit smaller but higher kv (4268 2250kv) .

My only experience with Hobbywing is with the two QuicRun Fusion Pro 2-in-1 2300kv combos I have in a couple of 1/10 trail runner/crawlers. They were both purchased this winter and spring. I'm pleased with them so far but don't have enough time on them to really know anything about their durability.

The more I read about these combos, the more bad reviews I'm finding. Any 4274 motor/ESC combo suggestions in the $300 and under price range?
This combo (if building as a front motor car, although the motor KV is a bit high for an 8th scale buggy), or this other combo (if going mid-rear motor)
 
Considering this 4274 sensored motor/ESC combo for the DSK roller I ordered (backyard use; I'm not a racer).
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Budget option?
budget combo
The first one is a bit overkill for a backyard basher in my opinion (I have this in a Mugen, basically race spec kit but capable of 6s), the second one is too high KV, if you want a backyard basher for 6s I would choose the Max 8 with a 1900kv motor or 2200kv for 4s.
You could also look at the new XR8, https://www.amainhobbies.com/hobbyw...sd-g3-motor-combo-1900kv-hwa38020432/p1500765 this is lighter, smaller and more powerful, again I would suggest the 1900kv
Hope this helps..:thumbs-up:
 
It will fit...but, the kv is a bit high for the intended use.

Considering this 4274 sensored motor/ESC combo for the DSK roller I ordered (backyard use; I'm not a racer).
Hobbywing combo

Budget option?
budget combo
Either will fit. As for your "budget" option, as with the Castle option MIke mentioned, the kv might be a bit high.
The first combo is similar to what Rlaarlo offers in the DSK (OEMN choices are 4274 and 4278 at 2050kv) while the second combo is a bit smaller but higher kv (4268 2250kv) .

My only experience with Hobbywing is with the two QuicRun Fusion Pro 2-in-1 2300kv combos I have in a couple of 1/10 trail runner/crawlers. They were both purchased this winter and spring. I'm pleased with them so far but don't have enough time on them to really know anything about their durability.

The more I read about these combos, the more bad reviews I'm finding. Any 4274 motor/ESC combo suggestions in the $300 and under price range?
Regarding the Rlaarlo electronics, as I mentioned in my post yesterday, while their motors are extremely good, most of their ESC's should be avoided. For anyone getting, or looking to get, the DSK, I will definitely recommend the Rlaarlo motor...but, for the ESC (especially for those who want to "save money", my best recommendation would be the C8 (160A, 3-6S) or C6 (200A, 3-8S) ESC from XC-ESC. The C8 measures 59.8mm x 48.2mm x 35.9mm, while the C6 measures 69.2mm x 56.8mm x 42.3mm (which might be too large for the DSK, unless the ESC is modded). By comparison, the Castle Monster X, mentioned by Mike, is 53mm x 49mm x 36.4mm).
 
Most would have a chuckle if they knew what I put in my eBuggies. 😁
Probably not any more "unusual" than what I'll be putting in my DSK. As I'm taking the Spektrum ESC & motor out of my Typhon TLR, and replacing them with a Castle Cobra 8 & Rocket RC motor (the motor is a 'temporary' long-term midpoint, until I install the TP motor), the Spektrum ESC & motor are going into the DSK. I occasionally tend to "mix & match" electronics, such as a Tamiya RCs with Traxxas electronics.
 
Darn all this DSK talk... before I knew what was happening, I ordered the roller! No restraint. No fiscal responsibility. :rolleyes:
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It will fit...but, the kv is a bit high for the intended use.


Either will fit. As for your "budget" option, as with the Castle option MIke mentioned, the kv might be a bit high.

Regarding the Rlaarlo electronics, as I mentioned in my post yesterday, while their motors are extremely good, most of their ESC's should be avoided. For anyone getting, or looking to get, the DSK, I will definitely recommend the Rlaarlo motor...but, for the ESC (especially for those who want to "save money", my best recommendation would be the C8 (160A, 3-6S) or C6 (200A, 3-8S) ESC from XC-ESC. The C8 measures 59.8mm x 48.2mm x 35.9mm, while the C6 measures 69.2mm x 56.8mm x 42.3mm (which might be too large for the DSK, unless the ESC is modded). By comparison, the Castle Monster X, mentioned by Mike, is 53mm x 49mm x 36.4mm).
There were other, lower KV options at jennys too.
I am a total noob with 4s gear. :thumbs-up:
 
My first 1/8th scale buggy was my testing grounds for something other than 2S. I had a Castle 1512 (4268) 2650kv motor running on 3S which is about the equivalent to a 4268 1900kv motor on 4S.
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I ran that motor for a while. Less weight. Very similar performance. No issues. Would I do it again? Probably not.
Darn all this DSK talk... before I knew what was happening, I ordered the roller! No restraint. No fiscal responsibility. :rolleyes:
If Rlaarlo came out with this a year ago, I'd be having me one. I had two RTR eBuggy platforms picked out (Sworkz & Caster Racing) and ready to click that 'buy it now' button. I waited for a sale to happen, like what was done in prior months... they never had another sale... I went with what I knew would work.

Even though I'm a backyard track basher, the Dragon Scale Knight kit just intrigues me with the layout and C-hub options. It being a hundred dollars less than my latest eBuggy purchase... Rlaarlo is so on my radar now.

Yes, I'm surprised/excited the RTR comes with a 4274 size motor. Typically, those are truggy size motors.
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Having said that... both of my buggies got the 4274 size motor treatment. :banana:
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Me personally, if I were to ever get a DSK, I'd be doing another 4274 size motor order... just cause.
 
Having said that... both of my buggies got the 4274 size motor treatment. :banana:
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Me personally, if I were to ever get a DSK, I'd be doing another 4274 size motor order... just cause.

By "R/C Calculations" estimates, using a 2250kv 4274 vs. the OEM 2050kv 4274 with 4S power adds about 5 or 6 MPH to top speed... that doesn't seem excessive. Dropping from OEM to a 1900kv would lose about 3 or 4 MPH from stock.

Some reviewers (not just the speed run guys) said it could use a bit higher gearing. That's why I guessed the 2250kv motor would be suitable. The combos are the same price. I could always use a smaller pinion and still have the faster motor in my inventory for who-knows-what in the future, right?
 
By "R/C Calculations" estimates, using a 2250kv 4274 vs. the OEM 2050kv 4274 with 4S power adds about 5 or 6 MPH to top speed... that doesn't seem excessive. Dropping from OEM to a 1900kv would lose about 3 or 4 MPH from stock.

Some reviewers (not just the speed run guys) said it could use a bit higher gearing. That's why I guessed the 2250kv motor would be suitable. The combos are the same price. I could always use a smaller pinion and still have the faster motor in my inventory for who-knows-what in the future, right?
Right. The numbers are close enough. It's all about gearing, gearing, and gearing... for the most part. I chose 4274 size motors for my buggies because of me liking to grab fistfuls of throttle all the time. Having a longer can for my torque needs makes me feel better/worry less during scorching hot mid-day summer running.
 
I can't speak for what anyone "should" be running...but, for racing, it is 1900-2000kv on 4S. If bashing, you're, obviously, free to choose kv & cell count. The Rlaarlo non-sensored motor for the DSK is 4278, while the sensored motor is 4274. As for what motor sizes will actually fit in the DSK, if you are running the rear motor & single battery configuration, up to a 4278 can be used. If running the front motor & saddlepack configuration, up to a 4274 can be used...but, it will be a tight fit (meaning, the motor, depending on actual length, could be pushing up against the steering). For that reason, a 4268 is recommended if running the front motor & saddlepack configuration.
 
I would go kit on this one, although I am not saying I would buy it. The XTS-F10 rally kit I have is really good. Hobbywing or the XC brand electronics to close the deal. The aluminum arms and other "upgrade" parts look Ready To Bend :D
 
Revisiting the 4278 20250kv sensored motor option from Rlaarlo...
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I wonder if the motor would pair up with Hobbywing's EZRun Max8 G2S speed controls. The sensor cables look to be the same. I have contacted both companies. I bet they both will say... no.
 
I would go kit on this one, although I am not saying I would buy it. The XTS-F10 rally kit I have is really good. Hobbywing or the XC brand electronics to close the deal. The aluminum arms and other "upgrade" parts look Ready To Bend :D
If, and that's a big if, Rlaarlo gets a wild streak going and puts out a truggy version of the DSK buggy, I may have to come out of retirement.
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I got nothing against buggies... I love 1/8th scale buggies. It's just that I got enough on my plate. I never would have thought this brand had it in them to bring an eBuggy to the table. I sure hope this company plays its cards right.
 
Revisiting the 4278 20250kv sensored motor option from Rlaarlo...

I wonder if the motor would pair up with Hobbywing's EZRun Max8 G2S speed controls. The sensor cables look to be the same. I have contacted both companies. I bet they both will say... no.
I've wondered a similar thing, as XC-ESC also uses an identical looking connector on their E-series of sensored ESCs & motors. I emailed them, as well as HW, asking the same type of question but, instead of receiving a reply indicating "yes" or "no", I didn't receive any reply at all (which, in all honesty, is the type of 'service' I've come to expect from HW...while their products are excellent, they are sorely lacking when it comes to providing customer service/support).
 
I've wondered a similar thing, as XC-ESC also uses an identical looking connector on their E-series of sensored ESCs & motors. I emailed them, as well as HW, asking the same type of question but, instead of receiving a reply indicating "yes" or "no", I didn't receive any reply at all (which, in all honesty, is the type of 'service' I've come to expect from HW...while their products are excellent, they are sorely lacking when it comes to providing customer service/support).
I had the exact opposite experience. HW answered my questions in the middle of black friday sale, no problem. I bought the esc and a few other things that same day.

I asked XC a few different times about a programmer card, app and phone requirements and got no reply.

XC relying on phone to program is no deal for me. I really do hope they release a card. Their escs look really good.
 
I had the exact opposite experience. HW answered my questions in the middle of black friday sale, no problem. I bought the esc and a few other things that same day.

I asked XC a few different times about a programmer card, app and phone requirements and got no reply.

XC relying on phone to program is no deal for me. I really do hope they release a card. Their escs look really good.
The ESCs from XC-ESC have built-in Bluetooth. In other words, they're more advanced than the HW ESCs. That's why they don't need a programming card/box. Furthermore, programming via an app is VERY similar to programming via a computer, and you have a LOT more programming options than you will ever have from a programming card/box. I have a sensored system from XC, and everything about it is better than HW. The only 'downside'...albeit, a fairly minor one...is the slightly limited number of 42mm can motors. However, they do seem to be releasing more.
 
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The ESCs from XC-ESC have built-in Bluetooth. In other words, they're more advanced than the HW ESCs. That's why they don't need a programming card/box. Furthermore, programming via an app is VERY similar to programming via a computer, and you have a LOT more programming options than you will ever have from a programming card/box. I have a sensored system from XC, and everything about it is better than HW. The only 'downside'...albeit, a fairly minor one...is the slightly limited number of 42mm can motors. However, they do seem to be releasing more.

If you want to continue spending a lot of money on HW products, by all means, go right ahead. In the meantime, those of us going with XC will have an ESC/motor combo for less than what you spend on just the ESC or motor. In closing, just a "friendly reminder" that HW also has an app option...but, it requires spending more money, in the form of their B-Link.
More advanced if you WANT to rely on a phone and bluetooth. I do not.
Not very advanced when I NEED to rely on sh!tty technology and TOS from phone manufacturers to make my RC's work.

I was looking at Elceram too.

2 different products that work 2 different ways for 2 different ppl. Its ok that this happens. ;) :thumbs-up:
 
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Revisiting the 4278 20250kv sensored motor option from Rlaarlo...
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I wonder if the motor would pair up with Hobbywing's EZRun Max8 G2S speed controls. The sensor cables look to be the same. I have contacted both companies. I bet they both will say... no.
I wouldn't doubt that Hobbywing has a hand in helping manufacture Rlaarlo's motors/ESCs, but...
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I've wondered a similar thing, as XC-ESC also uses an identical looking connector on their E-series of sensored ESCs & motors. I emailed them, as well as HW, asking the same type of question but, instead of receiving a reply indicating "yes" or "no", I didn't receive any reply at all (which, in all honesty, is the type of 'service' I've come to expect from HW...while their products are excellent, they are sorely lacking when it comes to providing customer service/support).
I've had nothing but outstanding customer service from Rlaarlo. I had questions about the MK-07 V2 when it first went on sale and they answered immediately. I bought one. I had the steering servo fail on the first run (I think it was damaged by an impact during shipping). I e-mailed customer service and they responded the same day and immediately sent me a replacement servo. I've also e-mailed with questions on other Rlaarlo products and received prompt and courteous responses; in most cases by the next day.

I'm as pleased with my Rlaarlo vehicles as I am with my Vanquish, Losi, and Team Associated rigs and I'm looking forward to completing my DSK roller when it arrives.

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