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LiPo Battery Voltage Capacity Relation

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I was wondering if anybody can tell me if this chart is accurate.
I realize that all batteries will be a little different but is this chart pretty accurate? If not, do you have one that is more accurate?
https://blog.ampow.com/lipo-voltage-chart/
 
I forgot to mention, I am mostly interested in the 6 cell column but I would like to use this in the future so it would be nice to know if this chart is accurate for the smaller batteries also.
 
The chart is basically accurate although a bit confusing. They say that a LiPo should never go below 3.0V/C but then show 0% capacity as being 3.27V/C so I'm not sure where they came up with the 3.27V/C number. If that is supposed to reflect the voltage after being run down to 3.0V/C and then the cell was allowed to rebound and 3.27V was the rebounded voltage then ok that makes sense but the rebound voltage will be different for every battery and may not even be the same on the same pack each time. That being said it would be in that ballpark.

The chart is kind pointless though. Everyone knows that 4.2V/C is max charge, 3.8-3.85V/C is storage charge and your LVC should never be lower than 3.2V/C and most people usually set it at 3.4 or even 3.6V/C just to provide an extra buffer against over discharging. All the rest of those data points are meaningless imho.
 
The chart is kind pointless though. Everyone knows that 4.2V/C is max charge, 3.8-3.85V/C is storage charge and your LVC should never be lower than 3.2V/C and most people usually set it at 3.4 or even 3.6V/C just to provide an extra buffer against over discharging. All the rest of those data points are meaningless imho.
+1

more info here worth a read:
https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-903-how-to-measure-state-of-charge

Battery University said:
Measuring state-of-charge by voltage is simple, but it can be inaccurate because cell materials and temperature affect the voltage. The most blatant error of the voltage-based SoC occurs when disturbing a battery with a charge or discharge. The resulting agitation distorts the voltage and it no longer represents a correct SoC reference. To get accurate readings, the battery needs to rest in the open circuit state for at least four hours; battery manufacturers recommend 24 hours for lead acid. This makes the voltage-based SoC method impractical for a battery in active duty.
 
I get your point but I am looking for some equipment that will use these voltages as an accurate power level of the battery.
 
I get your point but I am looking for some equipment that will use these voltages as an accurate power level of the battery.
please reference the link I provided above, I only quoted the method you referenced (voltage) because it's highly inaccurate, they discuss other more reliable methods such as
  • Hydrometer

  • Coulomb Counting

  • Impedance Spectroscopy

 
Yea, I see. Thanks for the info.
I have some numerical digital displays. Maybe I will use one of those instead so there is not interpretation of the SOC.
 
It's mathematically accurate but not reality. What is that you want to do?

To know where you are on the "Fuel Gauge" you have to know the usable voltage range.

If we know the max and min voltage we can calculate where we are on the "fuel gauge"
% full = [1-(Vmax-Vmea)/(Vmax-Vmin)]*100​

If we assume it's 4.2 -> 3.2V then it look like this.

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However, to @Greywolf74 point 3.2 is a bit optimistic. If you know what your LVC is then use that as Vmin. Let's say 3.5 is a good number to start with and if your measured voltage is 3.7, then you are at 28% capacity.

%full = [1-(4.2-3.7)/(4.2-3.5)]*100 = 28.5%​
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But wait, it's a bit more complex because the voltage is not constant. It changes a little bit with temperature, load and charge state. It's not uncommon to set your LVC for 3.5 and get 3.7 when you check it later because the voltage will droop under load and it regains a bit of charge after resting.

They also don't discharge linearly. This is from the Battery University above, it's 3V cells but it's similar for LiPos. Most of the time you don't want to be on the tailing end that falls off the end of the earth. The curve demonstrates the usable life of a LiFePO4 is much better than a A123. The curve is flatter longer.
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The actual curve depends on the battery and configuration but most manufacturers don't publish the curve, and if they did it would only be valid for a short period of time, because it degrades with use.
 
Thanks for the info.
I will look for other types of SOC displays. I'm guessing they will be expensive.

Let's say I decide to go with the inaccuracies of voltage to determine the SOC.
Why would this product that seems to be made for 3.7V battery cell clusters (1S-8S) have voltage curves that seem to be way off from the batteries it is meant to work with?

Here are the voltage specs that seem to be accurate. Thank you guys for verifying that.
Screenshot 2023-02-16 204513.webp



Here are the voltage specs for the display.

Screenshot 2023-02-16 204158.webp

A 6S battery seem to run between 25.2 = 100% and 19.64 = 0%
Whey would their product seem to look for voltage between 23.4 = 100% and 19.8 = 25%?
Am I missing something?
 
This chart looks to me like its for Electrochem lithium batteries and not Lithium Polymer batteries. Electrochem lithium batteries are the only lithium batteries that I'm aware of that have a max voltage of 3.9V/C

Screenshot 2023-02-16 204158.jpg


What is it you're trying to do exactly?
 
Thanks for the reply.
I see no mention of those batteries in their listing.
I am using a device that visually displays the SOC of the battery.
As you mentioned, the voltages seem to be off.
Since I can not adjust them, I guess they are junk for my purpose.
 
Thanks for the reply.
I see no mention of those batteries in their listing.
I am using a device that visually displays the SOC of the battery.
As you mentioned, the voltages seem to be off.
Since I can not adjust them, I guess they are junk for my purpose.

I think you might be talking about a LiPo Alarm.
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The is the "premium" versions are on Amain.
https://www.amainhobbies.com/team-i...utm_content=Dynamic Search Ads - AMainHobbies

However, I'm not sure of any difference from the ones on Amazon, that are a fraction of the price.
https://www.amazon.com/Readytosky-B...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Maybe others can vouch for the quality of the more expensive ones?

A couple of things to consider
Anything that reads voltage and uses the same battery for power will not be as accurate as the same device with an alternate power source, like a wall plug. The difference is not much and it's close enough, but the error is there. With a battery checker you might see 3.7V and with your charger you might see 3.75V or 3.65V. It really doesn't matter much but keep it in mind if you see a difference.

The second thing is if you leave this (or anything) connected to your battery while it's stored, it will drain the battery. Don't store batteries with a load attached. Just pull them out once a week/quarter/year (what ever your interval is) and check them with a LiPo checker.
 
I think you might be talking about a LiPo Alarm.
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The is the "premium" versions are on Amain.
https://www.amainhobbies.com/team-integy-lipo-voltage-checker-w-warning-alarm-intc23212/p183759?msclkid=3e2ff5c6958e19e8aa1896369050602e&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AH - Search - Dynamic Content - RC Brands - US&utm_term=amainhobbies&utm_content=Dynamic Search Ads - AMainHobbies

However, I'm not sure of any difference from the ones on Amazon, that are a fraction of the price.
https://www.amazon.com/Readytosky-B...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Maybe others can vouch for the quality of the more expensive ones?

A couple of things to consider
Anything that reads voltage and uses the same battery for power will not be as accurate as the same device with an alternate power source, like a wall plug. The difference is not much and it's close enough, but the error is there. With a battery checker you might see 3.7V and with your charger you might see 3.75V or 3.65V. It really doesn't matter much but keep it in mind if you see a difference.

The second thing is if you leave this (or anything) connected to your battery while it's stored, it will drain the battery. Don't store batteries with a load attached. Just pull them out once a week/quarter/year (what ever your interval is) and check them with a LiPo checker.
Thanks for the reply.
I am not looking for an alarm just something that will display the SOC of the main battery.
This Product says it should work but apparently it does not with the percentage table they put in the specs.
It makes no sense.
 
Thanks for the reply.
I am not looking for an alarm just something that will display the SOC of the main battery.
This Product says it should work but apparently it does not with the percentage table they put in the specs.
It makes no sense.

There are come cell checker that have a fuel gauge. For reference the Tenergy math works out to an empty voltage of 3.6V, so you have a lot of room there.

Tenergy on Amazon https://a.co/d/2yRPiy2
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Futaba on Amain https://www.amainhobbies.com/futaba-br3000-battery-checker-fut01102211-1/p221410
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Yea, I was looking at those too but they will not fit into the cars dashboard.
 
Thanks for the reply.
I am not looking for an alarm just something that will display the SOC of the main battery.
This Product says it should work but apparently it does not with the percentage table they put in the specs.
It makes no sense.

That gadget will gitterdone, but it won't be "accurate", just in the "ballpark"

What will happen is the indicator will fluctuate wildly, when you stop the car and go back to rest, it will indicate more than 50% charge but your LVC will more than likely trip long before that meter reads empty when at rest.

For 94¢ you're gonna get what you pay for... shrug

I tried using those LVA's above any they annoyed me because they tripped every time I hit the throttle with a fully charged pack, that's when I started to discover more about C ratings and have since only bought packs that are rated 100C and higher.
 
Yea, I was looking at those too but they will not fit into the cars dashboard.
I wasn't understanding the mounting situation.

For $0.94 you can certainly try the Ali Express specials. If you look at each of the options below it will give you the voltages.
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There is a video on Youtube where someone evaluates them. I looked at the silk screen on the back (xw2280kfr4) and looked for that. The video is in German so I don't know what he was saying, but I can see what he is doing. At the end he's got a graph that tells the story.
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Translating the strange numbers.

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I hope that helps.
 
Thanks for the reply.
I am not looking for an alarm just something that will display the SOC of the main battery.
This Product says it should work but apparently it does not with the percentage table they put in the specs.
It makes no sense.
Ok now that I've seen the product and the table it makes sense.

The meter will read full from 3.9-4.3V.
It will read 75% at 3.7-3.9V.
It will read 50% at 3.5-3.7V.
It will read 25% at 3.3-3.5V
Under 3.3 volts the lit up segments are all dark and the read battery outline turns on meaning you need to charge the battery.

I guess my question at this point though is why? I mean if its just something you think would be cool to put in your car then okay, I get it. and that will work. If you're trying to accomplish something Id be curious to know what and maybe I can suggest something.

*SIDE NOTE* They say it will work with NiMH batteries also but thats just stupid because nickle based packs dont have the same max and min voltages that a LiPo pack has.

The cheap ones work fine. Theyre not hyper accurate but they are close enough. The Integy one is made in china also and probably isnt any different than the cheapies. The cheap ones will be within +/- .05V which is perfectly acceptable for general use applications. Just FYI.
 
I wasn't understanding the mounting situation.

For $0.94 you can certainly try the Ali Express specials. If you look at each of the options below it will give you the voltages.
View attachment 160507

There is a video on Youtube where someone evaluates them. I looked at the silk screen on the back (xw2280kfr4) and looked for that. The video is in German so I don't know what he was saying, but I can see what he is doing. At the end he's got a graph that tells the story.
View attachment 160506
Translating the strange numbers.

View attachment 160508

I hope that helps.
Wow, that video tells me exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
I guess I will be getting an adjustable DC power supply.

It appears the items voltages are a little on the low side in relationship to the battery sheet I presented earlier.
Thanks again. I appreciate it.
 
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