what chassis is this?

[RetroThutmose]

i dont think i've seen this front cantilever suspension on a slash before?

 

[DavidB1126]

Nitro Slayer 4x4

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

Slayer. it's a nitro 4x4 SCT if i remember right.

 

[RetroThutmose]

Nitro Slayer 4x4

i didnt even know this existed lol
need to crawl out from under my rock i guess

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

nah, stay under your rock, it wasn't a very good truck.

 

[RustyUs]

nah, stay under your rock, it wasn't a very good truck.

But, but, but it has the extended chassis from the 8-time National Champion Revo 3.3 and patented rocker arm suspension.

 

[Chubaka]

i didnt even know this existed lol
need to crawl out from under my rock i guess

The very first version was narrow and shorter. After a year or two thry lengthened. Basically a revo in sct skin.

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

But, but, but it has the extended chassis from the 8-time National Champion Revo 3.3 and patented rocker arm suspension.

i don't acknowledge any Revo wins. it was some stacked deck BS. and as soon as it wasn't it ran away with its tail between its legs. the Revo can suck it!

 

[pnwrc]

slayer 4x4 or mini slash (closely related to mini E-revo)

 

[pnwrc]

sorry, not mini slash, 1/16 slash, verry different

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

it's nitro dude. you can see the linkages through the giant fender gap.

 

[pnwrc]

yeah, thought so

 

[Mrgoodwrench35]

I've never understood the reasoning behind cantilever suspension and I agree with above comments, the revo is a tuuuurd.

 

[WickedFog]

I've never understood the reasoning behind cantilever suspension and I agree with above comments, the revo is a tuuuurd.

It has a number of benefits. It will allow you to basically change the spring rate. The belcrank design and angle of the shock can give your specific rate springs a progressive rate simply by altering the geometry. Initially soft to pregressively firmer.

It also converts the shocks from unsprung weight to sprung weight. You're a lot better off having less sprung weight on a car that needs to have the suspension reacting quickly.

You can also mount the shocks low to lower COG.

 

[Mrgoodwrench35]

It has a number of benefits. It will allow you to basically change the spring rate. The belcrank design and angle of the shock can give your specific rate springs a progressive rate simply by altering the geometry. Initially soft to pregressively firmer.

It also converts the shocks from unsprung weight to sprung weight. You're a lot better off having less sprung weight on a car that needs to have the suspension reacting quickly.

You can also mount the shocks low to lower COG.

Phffffffft!!! Thats what I think. I appreciate the explanation and all but everything you mentioned can be achieved with conventional shocks. Seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I also strongly doubt that cantilever susp. can react faster than conventional. And regardless of how their mounted, you'll always have more weight up top than with conventional. Id need to see some hard evidence to prove any benefits to it.

 

[WickedFog]

Phffffffft!!! Thats what I think. I appreciate the explanation and all but everything you mentioned can be achieved with conventional shocks. Seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I also strongly doubt that cantilever susp. can react faster than conventional. And regardless of how their mounted, you'll always have more weight up top than with conventional. Id need to see some hard evidence to prove any benefits to it.

In racing, it has a lot more benefits. Aerodynamics for example because the shocks and springs are mounted under the body. Mid engine supercars use it. Various offroad racing vehicles use it. It's not just for added complexity.

I have played with designing a cantilever setup for my WPL truck simply because I couldn't find the right shocks/springs. I still have a design in the works for it. I bet I spent $300 on various shocks for that truck trying to get the right setup, and nothing worked. But with a cantilever setup I can adjust the spring rate and suspension travel just by moving things around. Kinda like how changing the shock angle changes the rate and suspension travel, but with cantilever I could accomplish that with a much shorter shock, taking up less space, and keeping the shock out of the rocks.

 

[Mrgoodwrench35]

All interesting points. Ill have to reconsider and give it more thought. Ill admit I have limited experience with cantilever setups but my overall opinion was against it. Mainly from a basher standpoint. Racing maybe but if the benefits were substantial then I think we'd see it more mainstream.

You should start a thread and convince me...

 

[WickedFog]

You should start a thread and convince me...

I could do that if I get time. It's something I really was interested in about 7 years ago. But I have so many damn irons in the fire at the moment I'm getting frustrated when I start working on something and end up down another rabbit hole.

I will get to it soon. Remind me in a week or so. I don't know a whole lot about it myself, but I did print a test setup and saw how it changed the spring rate and travel, quite dramatically. I'll just say the cantilever setup does have it's uses.

 

[RustyUs]

More thread derailment... A $350 conversion placebo? Gimmick?

Yes, probably should start a new Suspension thread.