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Badkitty

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Don't worry about upgrades till you can fly it. You will be spending your cash on blades, landing gear and just about everything else in between.

Have fun and get lots of stick time in. First thing to know is its a lot easier to hover when your over 3 feet off the ground. Let us know how you do.
 
anyone have any links to a replacement servo? i forgot to mention the one i bidded on has a bad servo. still better than full price
 
^ ^ Haha! :D I was watching that auction, was going to bid and saw it went beyond my "mark." :D Keeping my eye out for a second one.

Been flying a CP for 10 days now, well okay, not actually "flying" but keeping airborne and (barely) crashing. :D To answer your Q - simplest is the source,
http://www.horizonhobby.com

As for the rest below, I tried to make it short - I've just learned so much in the past two weeks that could help any total newbie, sorry it's so damn long.


Upgrades/what you'll break:

- heat sinks, both motors, cheap, get them, use them. Many pilots like to use two per motor, see LIPOS below.

- CP Training gear, if it doesn't come with them.

- at least one spare set of landing gear. Wise to get two.

- Two sets of blades, stick with the flat blades for now, NOT the sym (symmetrical) blades. They have less lift, are a little more unstable, and are only an advantage in inverted flight. The blades are balsa covered with Ultracote and are very expensive, so although you will learn to be very protective of them, they will still get dinged - watch for my post to come on reconditioning them.

There is a blade on eBay called plasti-blade, which may or may not be good for a beginner depending on how you see it. Made of plastic, they will not ding up hardly at all. But they will do MAJOR damage to anything they hit, unlike balsa. Also unlike balsa, because they are sturdy they will transfer any impact to multiple parts that are more expensive. It's a better idea to respect the 'copter and protect the blades, IMHO, even as a beginner, and if you get a strike, let the balsa do it's thing.

DO NOT GET CARBON FIBER BLADES. If you do, put them on your shelf until you are ready for them (this is what I did. :D ) Not only are they a sym blade, if you have a hard landing you can get what's called a boom strike. The blades flex downward so hard while spinning that one dips low enough to hit the tail boom. A carbon fiber blade will chop that f***er right off, including severing your tail motor wires, whereas a balsa blade will not.

Also once a CF blade is nicked, it becomes a human slicing machine even when the blades are stationary - the s*** will cut you. Wait until you stop breaking blades before flying CF blades. :D

- Before you try to fly put some low-temp hot glue on the vertical tail support (that carbon fiber stick on the tail,) it will fall out on you. Don't CA it in, if it breaks you won't be able to get the stub out and you'll have to replace that whole rear motor mount. Which, of course, doesn't come separate from the whole chassis assembly.

- Bell-Hiller Upgrade - optional pitch mixing head, the newest ones are coming with this, I don't think yours is. Even as a newbie I saw a smoother response with the bell-hiller mixer.

- Aluminum Swashplate - optional, better balanced, smoother, and bling. :D

LIPOS
Eventually you're going to look at lipo batteries. All of the comments below are info I have GATHERED and not put to practice yet, the batteries are on the desk here and waiting for the DD tail mod to come in.

- The stock battery is a 9.6V 650 mah nimh, you'll get about 8-12 minutes out of it, but **the** lipo packs for this bird are 900-1350 11.1v 3S lipos, lighter than the nimh and you'll get up to 20 minutes per pack. But note it is a higher voltage - if you don't follow the precautions below, it can burn out the 4-in-1 controller.

- Lipo packs - as above, 3S 11.1v, I'm working with 1000 mah packs from http://www.maxamps.com

- Balance charger: you can't just throw 3S or 2S packs on a charger like you can with nimh or nicad, if the cells get out of balance at ALL it can cause a fire or kill the pack. (Search around this forum for my rant on just how dangerous lipos can be if you don't treat them with respect.) So you have to use a balance charger to keep the cells in balance at all times as they are being charged. My choice was the Hyperion LBA6, which can balance 2-5S packs. Thunder Power also makes a good one, for $20 more. My Duratrax Vision Peak connects to the Hyperion which then connects to the packs.

- 8T pinion motor - When you go to the higher voltage of a lipo, a 10T pinion will put too much stress on the the 4-in-1 and blow the ESC. Also, the extended run time is more stressful on both the motors and the 4-in-1 ESC. You MUST use the 8 or 9T motor when going to a 3S pack, 8T preferred.

- Fuses: Even if you do the above, a blade strike when the motor is good and hot can cause enough of a spike to blow the 4-in-1, so you should do a mod to fuse both the main and tail motors. Use the super-thin automotive fuses, a 7 amp on the main and 2-3 amp fuse (2 preferred) on the tail motor. More details on this as you need it.

- Dual motor mod: When you go to lipos, the little tail motors have an extremely short life due to the increased voltage (and run time between cool-downs.) The best solution is the dual motor mod, that's right - two tail motors connected in parallel and they share the load with barely more than half the voltage as the stock configuration. For $22, it pays for itself 100 times over. You'll just have to ride with your battery shifted forward a little to recenter the C.O.G.
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FLYING
I'm still not "flying." :D Hovering well, moving around a little tail-in. To avoid some of the overzealous, impatient crap that I did, crap that's only going to piss you off and cost you money, here's a few pointers:

- Look at flying a heli like this: grab a 6" X 8" piece of glass by the two corners closest to you and put a large steel ball (or any ball with weight) in the center. Now move around the room and keep the ball in the center of the glass. Oddly enough, the motions that are going to be required to keep your CP in a hover are VERY similar to the same motions you'll do here. So similar, I still practice exactly this once in a while, with a steel ball and glass.

As the ball starts to roll one way, it will accelerate. You tip it back to correct, but it is too late and it comes back even faster. The result is a pendulum swinging back and forth across the yard in big 20 foot swings with those blades spinning like mad until it goes in somewhere at a terrific speed. So what's required are short, wiggly movements on the right stick to keep it level, while monitoring the left stick for altitude and keeping the tail rotor toward you.

- Hold the tail. You'll be doing some ground training (see Radd's below) and job one is to learn to keep the tail where you want it. For a beginner, that is pointed right at you, as if you're in the cockpit. This is not as easy as it seems, although the gyro compensates for some of the rotating force of the blades ithe heli will still try to spin left (sending the tail RIGHT,) when you try to lift off, and drift when you're trying to keep it level.

-NEVER power up if the tail rotor is jammed. This includes landing on grass - even though the main blades are free, the tail rotor will not be and will burn up the 4-in-1. Also get in the habit of powering down completely if you get in trouble - if ANY blades get jammed in a crash and there is even a little power applied, this will blow the ESC chip on the 4-in-1.

- Vow to keep it at no more than 4 feet until you actually master it. When things go wonky, you will do little more than nick up the blades at this altitude, any higher and it can build up enough destructive speed to set you back a hundred bucks or so.

- Wobbles and excessive vibration are NOT NORMAL and will throw your gyro out of whack in flight. Out of the box the blades are balanced enough to fly fine, but if one is at a slightly different angle than the other at the grip it will create a hellacious wobble. Make sure the blades are as straight out from the hub as you can get them, and the flybar is level with the ring on top - if they are and you have wobbles, something's bent. Follow the blade tracking instructions in the manual.

- EDIT: Don't set your blade grips too tight, this is not discussed in the manual (all it says is not to leave them loose.) You want them tight enough so that they will not move in flight, but loose enough so they can "break away" and fold if you get a blade strike. Snug, but not too tight. Usually all I get are grass stains now, no chips or dings.

While you're waiting for the CP to arrive, here are two EXCELLENT places to start (right after you go off and buy some stuff: :D )

Radd's School of Rotary Flight This site will do you a lot of good **only** if you actually do the exercises. It's hard not to get impatient . . .

Tosiyasu Morita's Electric Helicopter Beginner's Guide (This is a ZIP file that expands to a PDF.) I cannot describe how much this 182 page guide simply kicks ass. Everything you need is in here, I have barely begun to read all of it.

Obviously I've learned a lot of s*** about the CP in the last few weeks, when you get into a corner let me know and I may be able to save you some grief. C ya on the helipad. :D
 
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i did a search at horizon and found no description of whta kind of servo, nor was it in the PRODUCTS list when i went to the Blade Cp page. is it just a standard micro servo? I'm still relatively new to nitro. I bought 5 nitro trucks in Jan this year and have been having tons of fun with them.
 
Sorry man! I've had pretty good luck finding things on Horizon, since they are the exclusive distributor for e-flite stuff. Look like the OEM 1030 is no longer for sale, and the'yre selling these as replacements. If you're worried about it throwing things out of whack with the other two servos, shoot them an email and ask.

Also I ran across this ebay auction this AM and though of you, but it's for three and about to end. You see lots on eBay all the time.

They also have them at HeliHobby.com but they're showing out of stock.

Hey found a great flight sim, comes with a cord that plugs into the trainer jack on the CP, and has the actual CP model. Reviews give it a 5/10, so it's close enough to help. Blade CP Edition. That one is coming from AU so it will probably take a few weeks to get here.
 
i'll go ahead and try the S75 Servo when i get my heli. thanks for checking this out for me
 
Well BK, how's it going, how much have you broken? :D

I've been grounded today, broke some head rotor parts the LHS didn't have (as usual) and should be getting them today. In the meantime I've added this, dual tail motors as described above:
 

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Hey do you get a red light on your 4 in 1 when you power up the heli 3/4 of the way? I got mine about 2 days ago , and have not crashed or anything. Any ideas? BTW the 4 in 1 does initialize. My next question is how much throttle does it take for you to hover it takes mine almost full throttle to come off the ground.....
 
same here...and wont come off ground more than 10inches , IF THAT. I took it into LHS and had them balance everything. The guy took 10mins, turned it on and flew it around the shop and thru doorways. I went home and flew it, got it up about 30feet...brought it down, it tipped and broke first set of blades. Stupid cheeszy balsa wood. Went and got new blades...now the dumb thing wont hover or anything. sigh...i keep charging the stock battery but it dont last long at all. Now i know why i went nitro stadium trucks, instead of electric. Although nitro Heli are wayy too much $$$
 
Kitty, did your red light ever go away or does it stay on still?
 
Hey do you get a red light on your 4 in 1 when you power up the heli 3/4 of the way?

A red light just means you're at full power, it is taking **above** 3/4 throttle to do whatever you're doing, it doesn't mean anything bad, except that it should still be green while holding a steady hover. If you're getting a red light trying to hover or more than 3/4 throttle to lift off you have something wrong in the setup.

By that I mean there are several things that need to be in place to get it to fly right, but easy things. First off, if you've had a hard crash or the head is seriously out of balance, you will get a visible wobble. Look at the center screw at the top of the head and bring it up to 1/4 throttle. It should not show any wobble at all. If it does at this speed, chances are VERY good you have a bent shaft. Trust me on this one, I have experience in this, I have 4 of them in my box waiting to be straightened. :D

Now bring it up to half throttle or so, just enough to get light on the skids. If it starts to shudder and shake more than just a little bit, something is out of balance. Any wobbling will rob you of efficiency, if it robs efficiency it robs lift.

Balance the flybar simply by measuring the distance between the center point of the hub and the flybar weights, and of course make sure the flybar is not bent and the paddles are perfectly level with the flybar holder loop. To balance the blades and head is a little more work.

Remove the retaining pin from the shaft, disconnect the pushrods, and lift the entire head off the shaft with blades attached. The next part there are many ways to do - a simple solution is to set the entire head on top of two skinny glasses suspended **only** by the round part of the flybar on either side, with the head btween the glasses and the blades hanging free out either side. If the blades do not hang perfectly level, use clear scotch tape placed in exactly the middle of the light blade until they do. Try to use long pieces of tape you can hang around the leading edge so it doesn't fall off in flight.

Now that it's all balanced, you want to set your blade tracking and pitch. CP=collective pitch, this means as you increase the throttle, the angle of the blades increase to give you more lift the higher the headspeed is. For this to work, your pitch must start at zero (level) or better, if you have negative pitch at idle speed you'll have less at flying speed.

The manual explains setting blade tracking, but you use the same turnbuckles to adjust pitch. Once the tracking is set, set all your trims to center (EXCEPT THROTTLE!) and turn all electronics on. now observe the angle of the underside of the stock blades: they should be perfectly level with the ground. If the blades are tipped down in front, shorten the turnbuckles by 1/2 turn at a time on BOTH SIDES until they are.

If you're still having trouble lifting off, you're losing power somewhere, either the battery or motor. For the stock battery I only use a peak-detecting charger, charge at no more than 1C (650 milliamps for a 650 pack.) The manual's "charge um until duh batteries get warm" is a pretty sloppy charging method. If the pack is used, you can bet it's been forgotten about once or twice and possibly overcharged. I can tell you a stock pack in good condition will easily send the CP into the ionosphere. (I may have a couple for sale here soon, my lipos are coming in. :D )

If you just can't gain lift after balancing and making sure you have a good battery, one solution is to push the throttle trim forward before actually trying to take off, the blades will start to spin so only do it just before you power up. This will increase the pitch you'll have at liftoff. Just be aware that if you get into trouble, you'll not only have to pull the throttle back, you'll have to pull the trim back too - not doing so can burn out the 4-in-1.

If you go to 3S lipos, the higher voltage will give you a higher headspeed but you have to step down to an 8 or 9 tooth pinion to avoid burning out the motor, so loss of lift is even more of an issue. This is further compounded by the symetrical blades used in aerobatic flying, they have even less lift than the flat-bottom ones.

Stupid cheeszy balsa wood. Went and got new blades...now the dumb thing wont hover or anything.

LOL . . . first you should be thankful they are balsa. Better the blades than the tail boom. There is an indestructible blade out there called "plasti-blades" that are just like carbon fiber blades in one way - in a hard landing they will chop your tail boom right off, wires and all. :D But if you don't split them up, the balsa blades can be repaired and rebalanced in most cases.

Anyway - when you got new blades were they flat-bottomed or sym blades? Sym blades wil have less lift, use the trim-up trick.

Pictoral tut' on repairing blades: strip them, putty them with lightweight putty, cut a wedge out of a bad blade to slide between them on the trailing edge and tape them together to round off the corner chips. Apply ultracote to finish, hang 'em, fly 'em. :D
 

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