AE having beef with HH

[Suburban_Hooligan]

You wouldn't like the 14 lineup

why?

 

[DavidB1126]

If I don't like it you for sure wouldn't like it

ae 14 lineup is super hard to work/wrench on and personally I hate the weirdly designed motor mount, which strips spur gears simultaneously. Also the platform isn't that good in whole performance wise. Super sensitive to brakes and throttle in the air. Decent basher if you don't work on your cars alot. But for racing/track and jumping around, ehh. I'd take a Grom. HH can do bashers well, racers well if they'd stock parts. AE does better with racers than bashers, BUT, the pro4 and 2 platform is really good, other platforms, depends how they're designed ideally. Just my opinion. 20 screws just to get out the rear and center diff? Time consuming and unbelievable. doesn't help that you could put the diff in backwards and have to do that process over and over again to get it right. *Speaking only on the 1/14 lineup*

 

[Suburban_Hooligan]

If I don't like it you for sure wouldn't like it

you like short course trucks, so...

ae 14 lineup is super hard to work/wrench on and personally I hate the weirdly designed motor mount, which strips spur gears simultaneously. Also the platform isn't that good in whole performance wise. Super sensitive to brakes and throttle in the air. Decent basher if you don't work on your cars alot. But for racing/track and jumping around, ehh. I'd take a Grom. HH can do bashers well, racers well if they'd stock parts. AE does better with racers than bashers, BUT, the pro4 and 2 platform is really good, other platforms, depends how they're designed ideally. Just my opinion. 20 screws just to get out the rear and center diff? Time consuming and unbelievable. doesn't help that you could put the diff in backwards and have to do that process over and over again to get it right. *Speaking only on the 1/14 lineup*

i tend to get my stuff set up how i want it, and then not mess with it unless it's broken. the tedious to work on and sensitive throttle/brake input is my Savage XS in a nutshell and i like that truck. once you get calibrated to it its a lot of fun.
my thought is that its a little bigger than a grom so it would work better in the real world. the only grom id buy is the Granite and i don't think they make a brushless version of it and i don't want to spend the time/money to convert it.

 

[9x19]

let me know when i can save $120 on a 14MT

Only $45 off
https://www.towerhobbies.com/product/114-reflex-14mt-monster-truck-rtr/ASC20174.html

 

[DavidB1126]

my thought is that its a little bigger than a grom so it would work better in the real world. the only grom id buy is the Granite and i don't think they make a brushless version of it and i don't want to spend the time/money to convert it.

True.
The Groms are smaller than the reflex's, although the reflex is a true 1/14 while the Groms are more like 1/16 or 1/18 I believe.
If I wanted a good 1/14 scale car id look into LC Racing but that's just my opinion.

 

[CertifiedMike]

True.
The Groms are smaller than the reflex's, although the reflex is a true 1/14 while the Groms are more like 1/16 or 1/18 I believe.
If I wanted a good 1/14 scale car id look into LC Racing but that's just my opinion.

So LC Racing is a better option than AE in your opinion?
I want every RC built lately but the small yet fast, solid handling in the 'running' vids I've seen for LC Racing have me thinking they might be a good option for some easily carried fun.

I hear REAL good things about the LC rally platform which is also encouraging.

 

[Littlemotor]

So LC Racing is a better option than AE in your opinion?

By FAR when compared to the Reflex14 line.

 

[CertifiedMike]

By FAR when compared to the Reflex14 line.

Def good to know! Other ppl say similar.

 

[aklindeman]

Gotta say I've been pretty happy with the pair of Reflex 14MTs I bought last fall. Their main use is to chase dogs in the ski area parking lot, and to hand to kids for random bashing. They've taken a pretty good beating with no major issues. Anything smaller would likely have trouble in the rough dirt parking lots. Even the 14MTs are a touch smaller than I'd like when it gets really bad. The brushless 14MTs are also pretty quick!

 

[Panko75]

Psst... I really don't care either way. I've pretty much parted ways with all parties involved/mentioned in this thread.

Likewise, for me it's strange how a simple sale is even controversial to begin with. Is it wrong for customers to save money in this expensive hobby?

 

[EJMOPAR70]

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I worked for HH in Champaign they are a swindlers company my opinion. I don't buy their products.

 

[CertifiedMike]

I worked for HH in Champaign they are a swindlers company my opinion. I don't buy their products.

Anyone with a name like MOPAR70 who uses words like "swindlers" can't ba all bad!

Curious what you did while you worked for them.

Any specific things that made you feel this way or just generally?

Glad you survived the ordeal either way!

 

[rvpopham]

huh, anyone know if these will fit in a Tamiya chassis molded to fit a nimh "shotgun tube" stick pack? i could use a new pack for my M chassis.

Yes, they fit, me and my kids have several of those that we run in our Tamiya four wheel drive buggies and our Tt-02s!

 

[aklindeman]

The Dodge brothers have the distinction of being the first stock shareholders to sue a company, and win, for not putting shareholder profit first.

 

[jojobeans]

Man... I miss RC before HH bought everything up. There was so much variety and new interesting things getting thrown at the wall. Feels like RC has been in a rut for a while now and everything getting released is just lipstick on something that already existed. The hobby just feels like one massive mega corporation nowadays.

Good on AE for sticking to their guns! I hope they just severe ties altogether and ramp up supply to other, much better suppliers. Kind of an odd business decision to allow your supply to be controlled by a competing entity. Especially one that struggles to supply parts for their own products. Suppliers should be just that... suppliers. NOT manufacturers. But, I'm sure the CEO's are a lot more versed in business than me, so maybe there is a benefit I'm just not seeing.

 

[WickedFog]

Man... I miss RC before HH bought everything up. There was so much variety and new interesting things getting thrown at the wall. Feels like RC has been in a rut for a while now and everything getting released is just lipstick on something that already existed. The hobby just feels like one massive mega corporation nowadays.

Good on AE for sticking to their guns! I hope they just severe ties altogether and ramp up supply to other, much better suppliers. Kind of an odd business decision to allow your supply to be controlled by a competing entity. Especially one that struggles to supply parts for their own products. Suppliers should be just that... suppliers. NOT manufacturers. But, I'm sure the CEO's are a lot more versed in business than me, so maybe there is a benefit I'm just not seeing.

Money outweighs doing what is best for the hobby obviously. There is one simple thing they can do that will revitalize the hobby - for every RC car you make, sell it as a kit. Stop trying to profit by forcing crap electronics on us that will just end up in a landfill. The waste humans have been generating the last 20 years is disgusting.

 

[racerEX]

Money outweighs doing what is best for the hobby obviously. There is one simple thing they can do that will revitalize the hobby - for every RC car you make, sell it as a kit. Stop trying to profit by forcing crap electronics on us that will just end up in a landfill. The waste humans have been generating the last 20 years is disgusting.

I agree, nothing is made to last anymore, disposable society.

 

[jojobeans]

Money outweighs doing what is best for the hobby obviously. There is one simple thing they can do that will revitalize the hobby - for every RC car you make, sell it as a kit. Stop trying to profit by forcing crap electronics on us that will just end up in a landfill. The waste humans have been generating the last 20 years is disgusting.

Seems selling kits would be cheaper on the manufacturing end... But, even kits nowadays always have some kind of premium attached to it. At least RTR's have become a lot better over the years... I remember when buying an RTR meant taking it apart immediately and fixing all the mistakes the factory made. If only they could just include hobbywing systems that aren't locked down or filled with a ton of gimmicks in everything. *cough* spectrum *cough* Then RTR's in general wouldn't be so bad.

 

[WickedFog]

Seems selling kits would be cheaper on the manufacturing end... But, even kits nowadays always have some kind of premium attached to it. At least RTR's have become a lot better over the years... I remember when buying an RTR meant taking it apart immediately and fixing all the mistakes the factory made. If only they could just include hobbywing systems that aren't locked down or filled with a ton of gimmicks in everything. *cough* spectrum *cough* Then RTR's in general wouldn't be so bad.

When you see a kit for $350, and a RTR for $450, you have to understand - they probably have at most $50 in the electronics. Even less if they own the company making the electronics. So they are likely making more profit off the electronics than they are the kits. That is the only reason I can think of why they got rid of the kits. They want people buying their electronics. So they force us to by getting rid of the kits.

Just picture a meeting room, full of rich a-holes that couldn't put an RC car together if they had to. They don't care the least little bit about the hobbyists who want to build their own RC, pick out their own electronics and upgrades, etc. All they see is $$$ and they're going to base any decision off that. They don't make money off the motor and ESC if they use HW components, so they'll never put HW stuff in their RC's.

I just found something really funny. If you go read the "Our Story" page on Horizon, their "story" has completely changed from the story that was there just a few years ago. It used to mention the people that started the business, and how they were hobbyists, and how the hobby shop began, and how they wanted to preserve the hobby. Now it just says "We make the best RC everything, and every one in your family and everyone you know is going to have the most fun playing with our toys, and you will all build the fondest memories by giving us your money".

 

[CertifiedMike]

When you see a kit for $350, and a RTR for $450, you have to understand - they probably have at most $50 in the electronics. Even less if they own the company making the electronics. So they are likely making more profit off the electronics than they are the kits. That is the only reason I can think of why they got rid of the kits. They want people buying their electronics. So they force us to by getting rid of the kits.

Just picture a meeting room, full of rich a-holes that couldn't put an RC car together if they had to. They don't care the least little bit about the hobbyists who want to build their own RC, pick out their own electronics and upgrades, etc. All they see is $$$ and they're going to base any decision off that. They don't make money off the motor and ESC if they use HW components, so they'll never put HW stuff in their RC's.

I just found something really funny. If you go read the "Our Story" page on Horizon, their "story" has completely changed from the story that was there just a few years ago. It used to mention the people that started the business, and how they were hobbyists, and how the hobby shop began, and how they wanted to preserve the hobby. Now it just says "We make the best RC everything, and every one in your family and everyone you know is going to have the most fun playing with our toys, and you will all build the fondest memories by giving us your money".

My story used to say, "Even tho Horizon is a profit first company that has destroyed a few companies while trying to get things straight, is a good company. I still buy some of their products."

I shortened mine to say "Horizon is a for profit company that has destroyed their products.
I won't buy Horizon products any more."

If we want them to listen, stop buying their junk products!!! Stop telling them that THIS is ok!!!

I'll never have to worry about another one of their RTR POS's ever again. I won't loose any sleep 'having' to buy a different RC from their competition either.

Imagine how badass my Gorgon would be if I spent 1/2 as much time and money on it as I do these Kyoshos... the truck would be insane!!! My Granite would be 4s strong (like it should have come from the factory anyways)... not even a tiny bit of interest in hopping these trucks up!

The Granite is a POS. The Gorgon is unfortunate. I love that truck but I'll never buy another one.

Even Horizons 'best' electronics don't hold a candle most others. When is the last time you heard ppl raving about how good ANYTHING they make is at a track...???

Anyone???

Losi was prob the only company that could have earned my money. At this point, I'm gonna have to say I'll watch a JRX2 rere come and go too... not buying it either.

The introduction of google spyware into this hobby sealed the deal.

They don't sell what I want. End of story.

If everyone else sent the same message, if PROFITS started to drop at Horizon maybe we'd start seeing better products.

Ppl sending in ideas for better products and ways to help make RC more affordable are just fueling horuzons profit machine.

For me personally, Horizon needs to look for a new industry to ruin. We are done doing business.