Rival MT10 Shocks

[Adambomb]

Hey all!

I’ve got a TA Rival MT10, and a fun jump!

I’m trying to help from bottoming out when landing. Of course the flat landings aren’t helping!

I’m running 40wt Losi oil in my sock shocks. I’ve got some 60wt (810) that I’m going to try soon. Do the aluminum shocks come with any performance upgrade? Would stiffer springs for the stock shocks be a better upgrade?

 

[Lucifur10]

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[Adambomb]

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What’s happening!?

 

[Lukedavis]

What’s happening!?

@DavidB1126 made a very punny thread about springs. I would look at stiffer springs and heavier shock oil.

 

[DavidB1126]

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Chance of what? Am I winning something?

What’s happening!?

No clue

I would look at stiffer springs and heavier shock oil.

Id try this

I have a loaner SC10 Pro4 truck from one of my buddies which is basically 95 percent the same car as the MT10. Still running the stock plastic shocks, springs and oils and its pretty plush on the track. So speaking that I don't have much knowledge on the platform, can't really say. But if I do have it for long term might start tuning and seeing what works best.

Maybe someone other than me @ 9:30 at night knows better about shock tuning and bottoming out. I know, shocking, right?

 

[Adambomb]

@DavidB1126 made a very punny thread about springs. I would look at stiffer springs and heavier shock oil.

lol.

I’ll swap out to the 60wt oil tomorrow and look for some stiffer springs.

 

[DavidB1126]

@Adambomb

This is a traxxas oil chart but it works for most brands across the board.

I usually don't run 50wt+ on my cars but yeah the 60wt oil should help a bit. (Me = indoor high grip offroad racing, street bashing and casual backyard bashing. Most of my cars run between 30wt-50wt)

 

[Adambomb]

Chance of what? Am I winning something?

No clue

Id try this

I have a loaner SC10 Pro4 truck from one of my buddies which is basically 95 percent the same car as the MT10. Still running the stock plastic shocks, springs and oils and its pretty plush on the track. So speaking that I don't have much knowledge on the platform, can't really say. But if I do have it for long term might start tuning and seeing what works best.

Maybe someone other than me @ 9:30 at night knows better about shock tuning and bottoming out. I know, shocking, right?

I’m mostly curious if the alum shocks are just for bling or if they actually improve performance. There’s no doubt that thicker oil will slow down the high speed compression. And some different springs would be easy enough to try if you have a collection… I don’t.

 

[Lucifur10]

Thicker oil is a start. Your spring tension is already pretty high. Look for heavier springs. Thicker oil will also slow the rebound of the shock.

 

[DavidB1126]

I’m mostly curious if the alum shocks are just for bling or if they actually improve performance. There’s no doubt that thicker oil will slow down the high speed compression. And some different springs would be easy enough to try if you have a collection… I don’t.

Good question...

Someone more experienced should tell more about that.

One thing I noticed between plastic body and aluminum body is that the aluminum when adjusting the preload collars so MUCH smoother to turn up and down compared to plastic. More of a user ability rather than performance, but...

Ok after thinking about it, Aluminum, shocks wise, would be more durable. And the internals would be a bit more smoother than plastic bodies.

 

[Adambomb]

Thicker oil is a start. Your spring tension is already pretty high. Look for heavier springs. Thicker oil will also slow the rebound of the shock.

Which wouldn’t really be a good thing, I would think. I’ve got the preload using up about half the threads as it sits. I haven’t tried cranking them down all the way and jumping… I don’t want to snap the only springs I have.

 

[Lucifur10]

shocks are a big variable. There's so many things involved. Different oils, valves, as in the number and size of the holes in the pistons. Preload and rebound. Some shocks had bafeles on the pistons to slow oil flow. Start a log of what your doing. Measure your preload, your sag and ride height. The log will help with keeping track of any changes. It really is an interesting area to work on. Shocks make a huge difference. Have fun learning about it.

 

[Adambomb]

Good question...

Someone more experienced should tell more about that.

One thing I noticed between plastic body and aluminum body is that the aluminum when adjusting the preload collars so MUCH smoother to turn up and down compared to plastic. More of a user ability rather than performance, but...

Ok after thinking about it, Aluminum, shocks wise, would be more durable. And the internals would be a bit more smoother than plastic bodies.

With a good cleaning and bleed, I can get the plastic ones to feel awesome on the bench. I can only imagine how silky smooth the aluminum shocks would be.

 

[RetroThutmose]

Good question...

Someone more experienced should tell more about that.

One thing I noticed between plastic body and aluminum body is that the aluminum when adjusting the preload collars so MUCH smoother to turn up and down compared to plastic. More of a user ability rather than performance, but...

Ok after thinking about it, Aluminum, shocks wise, would be more durable. And the internals would be a bit more smoother than plastic bodies.

First time I tried to adjust my spring collars on the stock plastic shocks I spun the shock body out of the cap made a mess before I realized what I had done.

Funny this thread came up. I've had one of my rear shocks pop the cap off a few times. Huge hits so no complaints but I find after a few similar breaks it's more likely to pop the cap. Anyways, I've been hunting eBay and Jenny's for a similar sized but higher quality shock. Need to do a quick measure but I wouldn't mind some arrma composite shocks or maybe a team corally setup.

 

[nino]

I feel like it needs to be mentioned - chassis slap is normal and even necessary. Not jumping from a curb, but if it's from a couple of feet, the chassis is the only part that can take the beating!

 

[CertifiedMike]

First time I tried to adjust my spring collars on the stock plastic shocks I spun the shock body out of the cap made a mess before I realized what I had done.

Funny this thread came up. I've had one of my rear shocks pop the cap off a few times. Huge hits so no complaints but I find after a few similar breaks it's more likely to pop the cap. Anyways, I've been hunting eBay and Jenny's for a similar sized but higher quality shock. Need to do a quick measure but I wouldn't mind some arrma composite shocks or maybe a team corally setup.

I believe generally, stock, factory hop up shocks and parts are WAY better quality than most aftermarket stuff thats out there.
I thought there was a set for this truck that ppl love.
@PainKiller bought one with a nice set of shocks on it. You should check his truck out for ideas.

 

[Adambomb]

TA makes a nice looking set of alum shocks for $80, but I’ve read the internals are the same as the plastic shocks. I’ll probably order a set just for the bling.

 

[CertifiedMike]

If AE doesn't make a set, I'd look thru Jennys next.
I don't know which shocks you found I have no opinion on them. If you post a link, someone else might know more about them.
The aluminum doesn't flex under pressure. They SHOULD work better even with the same internals.
Metal shocks still use plastic pistons. The shaft itself is going to be the same or very similar dimensions, its a question of quality, if it was heat treated, TiNi coated etc...

 

[RetroThutmose]

I believe generally, stock, factory hop up shocks and parts are WAY better quality than most aftermarket stuff thats out there.
I thought there was a set for this truck that ppl love.
@PainKiller bought one with a nice set of shocks on it. You should check his truck out for ideas.

Yeah, they sell a nice set of shocks but they are like $80-90 new. Where on Jenny's I can get equally good quality, but not the same brand, shocks for half the price. I almost threw in some slash ultra plastic fantastic shocks on since I have so many sets

 

[CertifiedMike]

Look at losi kits. They had some nice looking shocks that other members here "swap in" and have great luck!