Paul O'neill and others. Ready to admit the Obvious?

[kwong2001]

Originally posted by GilBeQuick


If you don't vote don't complain. Every vote counts.

Very true, but it's like voting for the lesser of two evils...they all suck. And none really stand for what i'd like them to stand for.

 

[Nitroaddict]

okay - too many points to go into here. first, every president has positives and negatives, they all have skeletons, and they are all politians. sure, clinton was no peachtree, but diddling the maid so to speak is alot less of a concern of mine than lying to the american people and the world in order to convince us to invade a sovreign nation. here we are defending our actions regarding invasion of iraq by quoting from the nuclear and WMD proliferation act, yet bush is increased spending for bio, chemical, and low yeild nuclear weapoms by 125% in the last two years. Regarding the death penalty - i am by no means a religious person, but there is NEVER EVER a time when taking someone else's life is okay. The only time it is even to be considered is if your life is in peril. As far as taxes? RAISE THEM!!! we all need to quit whining and tighten the belt a few years in order to get our country back into shape. welfare reform is needed, but the program itself should not be eliminated.

finally, let me mention one more thing that wasn't brought up in the orginal article. Bush's recent unveiling of the new space program. While personally, i think it should have waited a few years until some pressing issues here get resolved. Although, as i do recall - in the mid 60's - during one of the greatest presidents terms of office, we were also spending vast amounts of money with the space program, all the while worring about Russia, and the cuban missle crisis. Vast amounts of money - there is another key point. Bush proimises 200M a year for 5 years to invest in the new plan, yet the estimated cost is over 1 Trillion dollars. doesn't add up. As you can see, the program will never take off the ground, it was just an election ploy to get the American people off the negatives of O'Neill and the War, while feeding their interests in the space program. Maybe he isnt so dumb after all.......

 

[StrechM]

Originally posted by kwong2001
Well I can tell you guys, it'll be a LONG time before I ever register to vote. I WAS planning on voting for the upcoming presidential election (for the first time) but after learning a lot about the government and how politicians could give a fiddlesticks less about us, i've decided they all suck...and there's no point in voting since none will represent us.

Originally posted by kwong2001


Very true, but it's like voting for the lesser of two evils...they all suck. And none really stand for what i'd like them to stand for.

You are so wrong to take that attituded towards voting. If we all did what you are thinking then we would have absolutely no say whatsoever in what will happen to our future.

Look how much NA and disagree with one another but do you know what? I'll bet that we are both right down at the polls or sending in an absentee ballot to make sure that each of our votes are counted.

 

[Nitroaddict]

i am wholeheartedly agreeing with stretch on this one. Seeing people show apathy to voting gets me pissed off at you more than Eddy is pissed at Rob. It is because of useless people like you who dont vote, why we dont have quality candidates in elected offices. If you would get off your sorry, lazy ass and pay attention for a few minutes, you would see that there are plenty of good, quality candidates that need your vote to get them in office ahead of the crooks.

 

[kwong2001]

Originally posted by StrechM
You are so wrong to take that attituded towards voting. If we all did what you are thinking then we would have absolutely no say whatsoever in what will happen to our future.

That's a good point but I can tell you that there's a lot of politicians that abuse their power and make stuff happen that the public DOESN'T WANT. Knowing full well we can't afford it.

For example, here in Washington State, our government used public funds for building the new Seattle Mariners' stadium. Even after the public voted it down. And setting aside the fact that there was the Kingdome that was good enough. Now is that really a democracy?

More recently, we have Sound Transit. A wonderful commuter train that only runs TWO times a day. One at like 7am and one at somewhere around 6pm. And it only goes for like 40 miles (maybe). Do we really need something like that? Nope. Is it being used very much? Not at all, they gotta bribe people to use it.

And what about Washington State roads? We're somewhere around number 2 in the nation for highest gas taxes, but we're somewhere around number 48 in number of new roads built. Now where's all the money going? It's going to build stadiums and trains that no one wants or uses.

Now I see what everyone is saying about how you shouldn't complain if you don't vote, but which politician should you vote for if everyone has their own agenda and could care less about the people they're supposed to be representing?

 

[Error401]

Originally posted by Nitroaddict
finally, let me mention one more thing that wasn't brought up in the orginal article. Bush's recent unveiling of the new space program.

America must officially claim the moon and Mars. Armstrong forgot to mention the phrase "I claim this rock as ours." back in '69. If we do that and someone else shows up, we can charge that other 800M in rent that's not in the equation. It all works out in the end.

 

[Nitroaddict]

kwong - u r missing the point. sure, by the time u goto the final voting booth, the two choices may suck. SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BEFORE IT STARTS! Get the right guys into the primaries, so that you dont have to choose the lesser of two evils. f*ck I'm pissed now. i hate apathy.

 

[kyosho1]

Kwong2001 - if ur not already in it, your a perfect candidate for the public service


NA - thanks for the explanation - at 34 you think i'd know what the US parties stand for, but i didn't. U'd be good company at a dinner party.

In Australia, our liberal Government is like your republicans (right). The leader of the liberals, John Howard (the cockatoo) is a staunch monarchist - work that one out.

We're about due for a labour government (the other side), like your democrats. (left) In fact they've been left for the past three elections. Fortunes may change this year - its possibly an election year.

Interest rates over here traditionally go up when labour is in office.


KYOSHO 1

Or was that the other way round - still confused

KYOSHO 1

 

[FlyinRazorback]

I liked Paul O'Neil best when he played for the Yankees
:hump:
And I love the little humping smilie.

 

[30%NitroBoy]

Originally posted by kwong2001


Very true, but it's like voting for the lesser of two evils...they all suck. And none really stand for what i'd like them to stand for.

Yep.....It suprised me how many 18-25+ dudes I know that haven't even phucking registered to vote yet they whine about everything.

Polotics is a complex proposition.....lol.

THeir's plenty of RepuliCRAP and DemoCRAP's in this country. I'm honestly phucking tired of both parites for the most part. I feel the Libertarian party represents me better then the DEm and REp by a long shot. With the privacy act and everything else going in this country, the constitution of our great country is going to chit in a hurry.

Peace

 

[lykan]

One of the thigns that appals me just drops my mouth to the floor..

clinton was no peachtree, but diddling the maid so to speak is alot less of a concern of mine than lying to the american people and the world in order to convince us to invade a sovreign nation.

When is either ok? or acceptable? I was talkign to a friend in another country he thought.. what a joke was laughing about it.
I'm sorry but Clinton signed on as president. Keep it in your pants tell term is over then do what you want.. that was soo disgracefull.. not only should he have been impeached.. he should have been hung for disgracing my country, your country, our country.

Why is it ok that somone can violate my personal space, jump into MY car in MY driveway and take my hard earned possesions (stereo/cd's/winch) basically anything they want. Then when you call the police IF they show up, they don;t even want to take a report.

Why is it that when I discipline my child (an open handed swat on the butt). In MY house, who I am responsible for if he does damage. The police not only come, they cuff me, put me in my car, remove my childs clothes to check for marks. Start a "File on me". Interview my child, my neighbors, my wife, and the childs teachers, all BEFORE! they have even established if a crime has been commited.

Why is it ok for other to violate my rights, steal my possesions, and not be punished, but it is ok for the government to violate my rights on the assumption that I might, maybe, could have disciplined my child appropriately?


It's easier to pretend that you don't have crime in your neighborhood. It's also very convienient for you to ease your concience for not doing a damned thing about real crime by "protecting a needy child".

These things make me sick. Outright..why does it happen? Because we as american people are "ok" with Clinton like behavior, bush's get them before they get us policy. We're ok pretending we don't see things, and were damned good at justification to fufill our own needs,.

What ever happened to "Don't tread on me", "Mind your business"?

BTW These situations are purely hypothetical..but happen everyday

 

[StrechM]

Don’t take me wrong gentlemen; I’m not one to vote for a straight right ticket. Politics are just that, they are politics. That means a lot going on behind the scene including deal making that I do not always agree with. I wasn’t making a point of Slick Willey shagging the secretary; the point is integrity while serving in the oval office, not that he did it, it’s because he lied about it. It makes you wonder about the rest of the decisions that are being made. Do I agree with all of our current administrations policies? Of course I do not. Some of them have had negative effects on the business that I’m in which affects my life. You can say that I lean to the right simply because it is a closer match to my opinions.

Big business, we have to have it or unemployment would soar, plus I own stocks and bonds.

World trade must happen or what we have will collapse.

Death penalty, without it there would be less of a deterrent for capital crimes. I’d personally pull the switch on a few of the folks on death row. The gas chamber and electric chair should have remained in effect. Punishment should come much swifter than 10-20 years of appeals on death row.

I’m pro choice, with reservations because it is taking an innocent life regardless of what the law says.

I ‘m anti welfare, except for those that are truly in need. Especially where children are involved.

I’m pro guns, NRA; the right to bare arms, people kill people, not guns.

There is nothing right about same sex marriage or union. I prefer sexy nude women.

Prison terms need to exist and sometimes very long sentences should be handed down. More deterrent. Besides, prisons are full of men and women that you would not want to be associated with let alone have them return to a community.

Drug related offences are usually just a ploy for leniency after being caught committing a crime. It’s not the drugs or the narcotics; it’s the behaviors behind the usage.

I'm pro long prison terms for those that have decided to make their way in life smuggling and dealing drugs. You brought up a good point here, vast amounts of untaxed money, corruption and murder.

Stop bleeding.

I truly admire those that stand squarely behind their beliefs.

Ok, where’s that cockatoo?

 

[Nitroaddict]

the death penalty is wrong. Killing someone is always wrong. I dont care what religion you are. It is even worse that the so called religous right are pro death penalty. How can this possibly be? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER's LIFE!!!!!!

 

[StrechM]

You do not understand. There are certain curcumstances in which I'd take no issue in taking a life. I'm PRO DEATH PENALTY. It is not enjoyment. You did not see me bring religeon into it but if you must then pass the amunition.

 

[Çh®i§tiªñ]

Originally posted by Nitroaddict
the death penalty is wrong. Killing someone is always wrong. I dont care what religion you are. It is even worse that the so called religous right are pro death penalty. How can this possibly be? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER's LIFE!!!!!!

Even God would cast death upon the worthy of it.

You have read the bible right?

War is even sanctioned by the bible. In my opinion, killing by war is the same as the death penalty.

And yes, I'm Pro Death Penalty.

 

[Nitroaddict]

I am not a christian, but yes, i have read the bible. The point is - to me, killing a killer makes you a killer too. Why dont we just execute the the guy who flips the switch too? after all, he is commiting the same crime that the criminal has. We are the only nation in the world that is civilized and still uses the death penalty. It is barbaric. An eye for an eye.....and the entire world would be blind.

Now, the idea by stretch of manual labor.......that is an excellent idea.

Finally - lest we not forget.......the system does make a mistake on occasion. I assure you we have executed an innocent once or twice in the century of capital punishment. Are you saying that its okay, because most are guilty????


To kill even 1 innocent in order to kill the guilty, is inexcusable

 

[30%NitroBoy]

Well,

I'd make light on other uuhh "points" but polotics is so phucking boring..ha. Instead I'll poing out what I belive in. THis country is still in "Reganomics"..lol. Simply put, the rich people pissing on the poor. Bush is a Big Oil president like his father before him (mind you his father was much more sucessful @ it). Bush doesn't give a phuck about the enviroment which is apparent from many of his remarks (more lack theirof) in the past. I respect his as the president of the greatest country on the planet but that's about it.

I'm Pro Choice - It's no mans right to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her phucking body....period. I do have some reservations about late term abortions.

I'm Pro Gay rights and Gay marriage - Like Adam Sandler said in one of his movies..."Gay people just watch a different kind of porn". I also prefer "sexy nude women" but gay people are what they are and no fundamentalist christian with his/her wacko beliefs can change that.

I'm Pro Gun and serious gun owner - The 2nd amanedment has been going out the window for a long time. Yes, we need more gun education in general but limiting citizens to 10 round magazines isn't helping nor solving ANYTHING...LMAO. As most guns owners know, it's easier for criminals to get guns then honest citizens. If guns are criminalized...only criminals will have guns. A gun is a tool like many in life that can be used for good or evil...period.

I'm "indifferent" about the Death Penalty - This is a complex subject worthy of an entire thread in itself

Big Buisness - It's much more complex then that. "BIg Buisness" always has been and always will be a reality of this country. It's not a question of if you favor it or not because it's not going away..lol.

I'm pro drug Decriminlization - Phuck, we could talk about this for weeks. The bottom line is that the "war on drugs" is one of the biggest mundane drains on our economy and citizens. The fact that Marijuana is still ILLEGAL is so idiotic that I don't have words to properly convery my feelings on the subject. If we free'd all of the non-violent "pot-only" offenders from our prison systems, we'd have allot more room for the real criminals like the people that prey on our children and rape our women.

We need to get phucking serious about the future of our enviroment but not allowing people to go 4-wheeling anywhere isn't going to help much...lol.

So, I'm anything but a "bleeding heart" but the phrase is thrown around in an ignorant context all the time...lol. I'm a registered Libertarian. I belive in the constitution of the USA. Many in my family have lived and died to protect it. I would die to protect it, the current state of our constitution is phucking scary to say the least.

Peace

 

[Nitroaddict]

30% makes alot of great points, and i agree with almost everyone of them. he also brings up the war on drugs, which is just pathetic. lets spend billions fighting something we can never win. lets spend millions on policing pot use, yet allow alchohol free and clear. huh???

 

[30%NitroBoy]

Originally posted by Nitroaddict
I am not a christian, but yes, i have read the bible. The point is - to me, killing a killer makes you a killer too. Why dont we just execute the the guy who flips the switch too? after all, he is commiting the same crime that the criminal has. We are the only nation in the world that is civilized and still uses the death penalty. It is barbaric. An eye for an eye.....and the entire world would be blind.

Now, the idea by stretch of manual labor.......that is an excellent idea.

Finally - lest we not forget.......the system does make a mistake on occasion. I assure you we have executed an innocent once or twice in the century of capital punishment. Are you saying that its okay, because most are guilty????


To kill even 1 innocent in order to kill the guilty, is inexcusable

Well said bro.....

Judge not lest ye be judged....eh. Better for 10 guilty men to walk the streets free then one innocent man go to prison.

Peace

 

[StrechM]

Oh sure, let's just turn them all loose you hemorrhaging hearts.