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Paul O'neill and others. Ready to admit the Obvious?

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People are saying terrible things about George Bush. They say that his officials weren't sincere about pledges to balance the budget. They say that planning for an invasion of Iraq began seven months before 9-11, that there was never any good evidence that Iraq was a threat and that the war actually undermined the fight against terrorism.

But these irrational Bush haters are body-piercing, Hollywood-loving, left-wing freaks who should go back where they came from: the executive offices of Alcoa, and the halls of the Army War College.

I was one of the few people of the news media who didn't celebrate Paul O'Neill's appointment as Treasury secretary. And I couldn't understand why, if O'Neill was the principled man his friends described, he didn't resign early from an administration that was clearly anything but honest.

But now he's showing the courage I missed back then, by giving us an invaluable, scathing insider's picture of the Bush administration.

Ron Suskind's new book The Price of Loyalty is based largely on interviews with and materials supplied by O'Neill. It portrays an administration in which political considerations -- satisfying "the base" -- trump policy analysis on every issue, from tax cuts to international trade policy and global warming. The money quote may be peepee Cheney's blithe declaration that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." But there are many other revelations.

One is that O'Neill and Alan Greenspan knew that it was a mistake to lock in huge tax cuts based on questionable projections of future surpluses. In May 2001 Greenspan gloomily told O'Neill that because the first Bush tax cut didn't include triggers -- it went forward regardless of how the budget turned out -- it was "irresponsible fiscal policy." This was a time when critics of the tax cut were ridiculed for saying exactly the same thing.

Another is that Bush, who declared in the 2000 campaign that "the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum," knew that this wasn't true. He worried that eliminating taxes on dividends would benefit only "top-rate people," asking his advisers, "Didn't we already give them a break at the top?"

Most startling of all, Bush's National Security Council endorsed the concept of pre-emptive war, and set a goal of overthrowing Saddam Hussein, in February 2001.

There's much more in Suskind's book. All of it will dismay those who still want to believe that our leaders are wise and good.

The question is whether this book will open the eyes of those who think that anyone who criticizes the tax cuts is a wild-eyed leftist, and that anyone who says the administration hyped the threat from Iraq is a conspiracy theorist.

The point is that the credentials of the critics just keep getting better. How can Howard Dean's assertion that the capture of Saddam hasn't made us safer be dismissed as bizarre, when a report published by the Army War College says that the war in Iraq was a "detour" that undermined the fight against terror? How can charges by Wesley Clark and others that the administration was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq be dismissed as paranoid in the light of O'Neill's revelations?

So far administration officials have attacked O'Neill's character but haven't refuted any of his facts. They have, however, already opened an investigation into how a picture of a possibly classified document appeared during O'Neill's TV interview. This alacrity stands in sharp contrast with their evident lack of concern when a senior administration official, still unknown, blew the cover of a CIA operative because her husband had revealed some politically inconvenient facts.

Some will say that none of this matters because Saddam is in custody, and the economy is growing. Even in the short run, however, these successes may not be all they're cracked up to be. More Americans were killed and wounded in the four weeks after Saddam's capture than in the four weeks before. The drop in the unemployment rate since its peak last summer doesn't reflect a greater availability of jobs, but rather a decline in the share of the population that is even looking for work.

More important, having a few months of good news doesn't excuse a consistent pattern of dishonest, irresponsible leadership. And that pattern keeps getting harder to deny.
 
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I have a new sig for ya LOL
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LMAO at Mike. I think that should be Bush's new sig. wasn't the USSR's motto about the same? WAR WAR, DENY DENY, LIE LIE!
 
based upon recent events, i wouldnt be suprised to see bush lose. after the stunt he just pulled in Atlanta - he just lost about 75% of all the Black population votes.
 
WOW,

great to see you guys involved in where ur country is headed.

Down here in Aus, we elected a cockatoo.


Can i ask you this:
If you died in a car crash when it slammed into a brick wall, does it matter that you were awake and saw it all or were blissfully asleep.

KYOSHO1
 
kyosho, i work for and write for a political newspaper here in the USA. I am very opposed to Bush policy and other things going on here right now. If not too familiar with our politics - I am a democrat, which is usually associated with liberal policies, more money to the poor, less 'big brother' government and more compasion when it comes to laws. Also pro free speech, anti-descrimination and anti gun, anti death penality, and pro abortion. Bush is a republican, as is most of this forum, sad to say - the general typography of a republican is pro government, pro rich, pro big business, pro world trade organization. anti welfare, pro gun and pro death penality, anti abortion, and anti gay and gay marraige. Also has a tough stance on prision terms and drug related offenses. Our last president, Clinton, was a democrat, if that helps distinguish policy and proceedure between party lines.

stretch - still didnt get this comment? help

Who's spin, your newspaper's or the DNC's.
 
You left out an important aspect of the prior White House Admins legacy, your hero Clinton was impeached. The biggest black eye that you could possibly receive as a President of the United States. Oh yes, I did not inhale and I did not have sex with that woman. I almost forgot about selling our high tech secrets to China and the list goes on. So don't stand up on your high horse and try to sling your newspaper’s crap at me NA.
By the way you almost got it right except that I'm pro choice.


QUOTE]Originally posted by kyosho1

Down here in Aus, we elected a cockatoo.
KYOSHO1
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NA,.. that's it I'll vote for the cockatoo if you will.

KYOSHO1, if you hadn't noticed NA is so far to the left that he's orbiting somewhere out in space, giving away all of my income and I'm so far to the right that he thinks I'm going to shoot him, sick my dogs on him and drill for oil in his backyard. Other than that I think that we are friends.

Originally posted by Nitroaddict



what do u mean? regarding what post?

Just a figue of speech, about the article.
 
Originally posted by StrechM
You left out an important aspect of the prior White House Admins legacy, your hero Clinton was impeached. The biggest black eye that you could possibly receive as a President of the United States. Oh yes, I did not inhale and I did not have sex with that woman. I almost forgot about selling our high tech secrets to China and the list goes on. So don't stand up on your high horse and try to sling your newspaper’s crap at me NA.
By the way you almost got it right except that I'm pro choice.

YOu forgot the fact that he could have gotten Bin Laden WAY before 9/11.
 
Originally posted by kwong2001


YOu forgot the fact that he could have gotten Bin Laden WAY before 9/11.

A couple of times.

All I have to say is, I got a truck, a dog and a bunch of gunz in my golf bag.

[rant] Kind of funny that Bush #1 didn't cry BS when Da big C man took (oops, I meant won) that election. Reaganomics worked, just took a few years to show up (lag time), and Tipper and her storm troopers are the reason there are "explicit lyrics" labels on the best music covers. (DK's anyone.) I get a little pissed when I only take home about 70% of what I earn, only to see the fruits of my labor sauntering down the street when I drag ass home. And the death penalty should be abolished, only if hard labor cams return (Pappilion). [/rant]

But that's America. A place where we can agree to disagree, and a place where NA and I can be friends that don't always have the same POV.
 
Some of my personal views:
-Abortion: It's not my body so it's not my choice.
-Death Penalty: Eye for an Eye. If you rape, expect to be raped by a 300lb man more than happy to give you the same favor in return, followed by a slow slicing of your pecker by a hot soldering iron. If you commit 2nd degree+ murder, expect to be killed when you're caught.
-Welfare: Sure, some people actually need it, but not most. I don't like my HARD earned pay paying the way for some man/woman to sit at home with his/her 5 kids.
-Guns: If you want a gun I think you should be able to have a gun. Suffer the consequences (eye for eye) when you break the law.
-Drugs: Legalize it all. If you want to kill yourself, IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN SPACE, go right ahead, it won't bother me any. As they say, "the cream of the crop will rise to the top".

I don't mind paying taxes at all. I think every working person should do so. How else are the roads going to get built and repaired. Public education has to get funded somehow. Etc etc etc for the causes that don't involve the laziness of some no-good bum at MY expense..... My boss (owner of company I work for) offered a begger on a street corner, holding a "Homeless, need job, God bless all" sign a job. He promptly refused for whatever his reason was. Here in Charlotte thare are MANY jobs to be had, from the bottom to the top. Too bad there aren't any good offroad or onroad RC tracks in this city.
 
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I agree Gil, to a point. Welfare, bad idea. It's something for nothing. I read in history class about the depression, and one of the ways to get things going (remember, this was before welfare) was to start the CCC (civilian conservation corps). They built most of the roads and dams and did all kinds of useful stuff, and got paid by the government. And that money came from taxes. Definately not something for nothing. Welfare is permanent unemployment. No incentive to quit. I believe that welfare should be temporary at best. If someone was down on their luck, but was trying to make something of themselves, sure, I can see lending a helping hand. But when the cycle is perpetuated for generations with no end in sight, I get a little upset. I say if ya want welfare, do something productive, like pick up trash on the roads, or something, anything except sitting around popping out more kids (which btw means a bigger welfare check).
 
Well I can tell you guys, it'll be a LONG time before I ever register to vote. I WAS planning on voting for the upcoming presidential election (for the first time) but after learning a lot about the government and how politicians could give a fiddlesticks less about us, i've decided they all suck...and there's no point in voting since none will represent us.
 
Originally posted by kwong2001
Well I can tell you guys, it'll be a LONG time before I ever register to vote. I WAS planning on voting for the upcoming presidential election (for the first time) but after learning a lot about the government and how politicians could give a fiddlesticks less about us, i've decided they all suck...and there's no point in voting since none will represent us.

If you don't vote don't complain. Every vote counts.
 
Kwong, often times it is a choice for the lesser of so many evils. Make a stand, use your right, though choosing not to vote is in itself a chioce.
 
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