Monster slash 3-4s combo (under 180$can) spektrum vs hobbywing vs surpass (no castlecreation)

[cocoune]

Hi guys, I own a slash (first rc) since the spring.

New servo, new bellcrank, wide arms, badlands 2.8 tires and rear suspension on front.

I feel the need to put more power in it. I never go on road. I like heavy offroading and i dont jump.

I dont really want to spend more than 200$ can. Honestly 200$ is a bit high for my taste. So thats the most important thing. Quality FOR the price. My gearing is low. Stock was 21/83 and i run 16/90. I'm ok with breaking parts but when it comes to motor/esc, i want to be inna safezone and dont always worry about it. I'm easy on throttle, i dont go full speed more than like 2 secs everynow and then. I prefer torque over speed. I tried 18/90 gearing but prefer 16/90.

I looked for a month now and there is so many options... Ill explained my need.

I prefer sensored but i can live with sensorless. The bl2s is sensorless and i like it so idk if i really need sensored. I dont really care about being able to set the esc like i want. Honestly, a lipo cut off is enought. Heat cutoff would be really nice tho.

Like i mention in the title i dont want castle because its just too expensive.

The more normal thing to do is to go 3s because 4s is too expensive for me (in theory), and 4s might be overkill. The option i have for 3s is the Hobbywing quickrun 10bl120 with 3652sl 3250kv. The esc is 2-4s. The combo is sensorless and its 130$can ish for the combo. Another option is the max10 g2 80a with ezrun 3652 3300 kv for 180can$ ish. This combo is sensored. Like i said, castle is just to much money. There is also the spektrum firma 85a with a 3300 kv motor. Its 150 at my hobby shop, 115 on amazone and i can get it for under 100$ on jennyrc (didnt check the shipping tho).

There is also the surpass combo 3-6s for 120-150$can. But i heard that the esc is mehh but motor is prettyr good. And its stupidely cheap. But can't find 3-4s its only 2s or 6s lol even if i go more than 3s I'm not sure ill buy a 4s lipo.

Ok and now the 4s... Why would i want 4s ? Like i said i like low gearing but it lacks on the top speed (of course) so maybe 4s can help. I dont want to think about overheating either so my theory is that if i run a powerfull combo witouth pushing it i reduced the risks of failure. I'm ok with breaking parts but not the electronics.

In theory 4s is too expensive. BUT. I think i can be tricky. Thats why i consider surpass.

Idk if someone tried an hw esc with a surpass motor ? I could have the 10bl120 or a max10 esc with a surpass motor. Or spektrum esc with surpass motor.

Spektrum on jennyrc is stupidly cheap. Its funny because i could buy a 6s combo cheaper than 4s and 3s.

So ya. I'm a bit all over the place.
I can go conservative and easy with buying hw max10 or 10bl120 combo on 3s or i can try a cheap way of going 4s with mixing hw/spektrum esc with a surpass motor or go spektrum because its cheap on jennyrc.

Hope you can help me. Thanks.

 

[9x19]

I have a few models with Spektrum ESC/Motor combos, and haven't had ant issues with their stuff.

I don't really do big air, or wide-open throttle for extended periods either. Mine are the 100A ESCs.

I recently bought a pair of the HW 10BL120 combos that I found a good sale on, but haven't put them to use yet.

 

[cocoune]

I have a few models with Spektrum ESC/Motor combos, and haven't had ant issues with their stuff.

I don't really do big air, or wide-open throttle for extended periods either. Mine are the 100A ESCs.

I recently bought a pair of the HW 10BL120 combos that I found a good sale on, but haven't put them to use yet.

What motor do you have ? I guess you run 3s and not 4s ?

This is what i mean when i say spektrum on jennyrc is stupidly cheap.

Here is a 130a firma esc with 2200 kv motor sensored 4s for 330$can without shippings fews and taxes

https://www.spektrumrc.com/product/...c-2200kv-sensored-motor-combo/SPMXSEMC17.html

I can have something similar (can't find the exact setup) on jenny rc for 140$can including shipping.

Something like the losi lasernut setup. 130a esc with 1900kv motor 4s (sensored i hope need to check that)

Its less than half the price.

 

[Ramp addict]

4s will eat your drive train on a Slash, at least that was my experience. 3s through a 540 motor will turn your Slash into a raging rocket.
Hobbywing Max 10 G2 140A combo, ESC 2-4s, motor 2-3s. $172.99.

 

[luke66]

Hobbywing MAX10.

 

[9x19]

Yes, I mostly run 2s and 3s in my 1/10 scale stuff. Spektrum motors I use are 3150kv, 3200kv and one 3900kv

 

[cocoune]

4s will eat your drive train on a Slash, at least that was my experience. 3s through a 540 motor will turn your Slash into a raging rocket.
Hobbywing Max 10 G2 140A combo, ESC 2-4s, motor 2-3s. $172.99.

Did you feel more power with 4s or not really ? Like i said i may want to compensate for the lost of speed because of my gearing. I'm aware with 4s i may break things.

Is it what your talking about ? If yes its 245 can$. Too much money.

https://www.hobbywingdirect.com/products/ezrun-max10-combo-3665sd?variant=40522184196211

But if i want to stay 3s there is this for 185$can

https://www.hobbywingdirect.com/products/ezrun-max10-combo-3652sd?variant=40521989423219

Its sensored but pricier than the sensorless quickrun 10bl120

For the same price as the max10 combo i can get a quick run combo but 4s

https://www.hobbywingdirect.com/pro...8497011&pr_seq=uniform&variant=40912307781747

The quick run 10bl120 esc is 2-4s so i guess i can get that with the 4268 motor and go 4s for like 150$can Arggg too many options lol its sad that my hobbyshop dont have hobbywing. They only have spektrum

 

[luke66]

Stay 3S man. Have you run 3S yet? If not, you're gonna be suprised. 4S is just plain overkill.

 

[cocoune]

Stay 3S man. Have you run 3S yet? If not, you're gonna be suprised. 4S is just plain overkill.

Yea i know.... My lhs told me that just upgrading to a 3s system with a 2s battery is a improvment. I never tried 3s. The devil and the angel is on both sides of my head and i can't decide who i listen. I wasn't really planning to put a 4s battery tho. Just a 4s combo so i could if i want. I may try 3.8 tires (ya thats crazy) and gear low.

Whats your take On sensorless vs sensored for bashing ? I'm thinking more about the quickrun 10bl120 over the max10 because its cheap.

Do you know why in hobbywings combo the esc can take more cells than the motor ? I feel there is a reason but I'm not sure. For exemple the 10bl120 is 2-4s but its paired with a 3300 kv motor that can't take 4s.

 

[luke66]

Cuz 4S is much for 120Amps. It can do it, but it'd run HOT.

Sensored motors I think arent needed for bashing.

 

[DavidB1126]

Yeah. Sensored is best for crawlers and racers. But sensored motors are good in any car if your cruising at low rpms / speeds

 

[Ramp addict]

Did you feel more power with 4s or not really

Yes it had more power on 4s but it was unusable because the truck was too light. Even beefed to the hilt it still had major drivetrain issues every drive. I don't think I ever made it to low voltage even once on 4s. Now on 3s with a smaller motor the truck flew. There's also the weight issue, Traxxas heaviest springs weren't heavy enough to keep the big motor and big battery off of the ground.

If you want to build a high powered SCT then start with an 1/8th scale buggy like an Arrma Typhon or Tekno EB48. They can handle both the power and the weight right out of the box.

 

[RustyUs]

Yea i know.... My lhs told me that just upgrading to a 3s system with a 2s battery is a improvment. I never tried 3s. The devil and the angel is on both sides of my head and i can't decide who i listen. I wasn't really planning to put a 4s battery tho. Just a 4s combo so i could if i want. I may try 3.8 tires (ya thats crazy) and gear low.

Whats your take On sensorless vs sensored for bashing ? I'm thinking more about the quickrun 10bl120 over the max10 because its cheap.

Do you know why in hobbywings combo the esc can take more cells than the motor ? I feel there is a reason but I'm not sure. For exemple the 10bl120 is 2-4s but its paired with a 3300 kv motor that can't take 4s.

For a 2wd Slash, a Quicrun 3652 3250kv combo on 3S would be more than enough for most people.

If you want to run a larger motor than what comes in one of the Quicrun WP 10BL120 G2 combos, then just buy the ESC separately, and choose you motor. The Quicrun WP 10BL120 G2 is just an updated version of the old EZRun WP-SC8 speed control. I'd have no problem running it in a 1/8 scale buggy with a 4268 size motor on 4S.

 

[DavidB1126]

10BL120 G2 is just an updated version of the old EZRun WP-SC8 speed control.

And also the older Max10 SCT which is discontinued

 

[RustyUs]

Cuz 4S is much for 120Amps. It can do it, but it'd run HOT.

Sensored motors I think arent needed for bashing.

It all depends on the robustness of the ESC. I think the naming of the ESCs is a bit confusing. For example in the Hobbywing Quicrun series 10BL120, and WP 10BL120 G2 are two completely different 120A critters. One is designed for 2~3S/smaller/lightweight RCs, and the other will handle 4S LiPo packs while running heavier RCs with 4268 size motors.

And also the older Max10 SCT which is discontinued

Yes, that's the one.

 

[Ramp addict]

For a 1/10 scale basher going senseless will save you a lot of cash and you won't lose much in performance. Surpass Hobby and Hobby Star don't make motors or ESCs but they do buy them from the same source. If you're looking for a stouter system for under $200 that's where I would go.

 

[luke66]

It all depends on the robustness of the ESC. I think the naming of the ESCs is a bit confusing. For example in the Hobbywing Quicrun series 10BL120, and WP 10BL120 G2 are two completely different 120A critters. One is designed for 2~3S/smaller/lightweight RCs, and the other will handle 4S LiPo packs while running heavier RCs with 4268 size motors.


Yes, that's the one.

Oh really? That's sweet! Makes me want a WP worse now lol

 

[cocoune]

It all depends on the robustness of the ESC. I think the naming of the ESCs is a bit confusing. For example in the Hobbywing Quicrun series 10BL120, and WP 10BL120 G2 are two completely different 120A critters. One is designed for 2~3S/smaller/lightweight RCs, and the other will handle 4S LiPo packs while running heavier RCs with 4268 size motors.


Yes, that's the one.

The 10bl120 is sensored to i think (and not waterproof ?).
Need to make sure i have the wp but i thinks its what the give you with the combo. I need to check that because i wont buy from them directly, shipping is to high.

For a 2wd Slash, a Quicrun 3652 3250kv combo on 3S would be more than enough for most people.
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If you want to run a larger motor than what comes in one of the Quicrun WP 10BL120 G2 combos, then just buy the ESC separately, and choose you motor. The Quicrun WP 10BL120 G2 is just an updated version of the old EZRun WP-SC8 speed control. I'd have no problem running it in a 1/8 scale buggy with a 4268 size motor on 4S.

I think I'm gonna get this combo. Simple and great. Ifffff at some point i want to try 4s, ill just buy another motor. Maybe a cheap one just to try. Idk. Like other said, ill get plenty of speed on 3s. Anyway the location I'm used to drive will not change lol its not because i can go faster that i will because of the terrain. Just want to run low gearing and had abit of speed.

 

[CertifiedMike]

I picked up a Spektrum 130A and a 3800kv 3652 motor from Jenny's.
I run it on 3s in my 1/12 scale 4x4. Its currently set up as an SCT.
It FLIES on pavement. I can run it all day without heat issues on 2s. 3s gets warm.
Since that's not your thing, I have run it off road in moderately high grass, chasing my dog around, lots of slow and fast. No overheating on esc. Motor gets to the point where I stop to let cool for a few but I have no fan set up on it either. This is on 3s. I haven't run in the grass on 2s.
The only other thing... I did buy a programmer card from Horizon.
It has been pretty helpful too.

Jenny's has been great to deal with!
3 purchases now and I've been very happy.

 

[luke66]

JRC is king.