I'm done with FeeBay!!!

[jetmechG550]

I sold my old blackberry on eBay last year, it was the last thing I sold and will sell on eBay. The first bitch that bought it was nothing but a scam artist. The way I read it and followed her she would buy stuff and then her husband would light her up. All the more expensive stuff she bought she filed a complaint about and would get her money back. She did this with me and even though I provided more than enough info to eBay and Paypal about her wrong doings and that the merchandise I sold was in fact in almost new condition (I had a tech rep look over the BB when I got it back from her) they still sided with her. I provided all the e-mails she sent me, containing her lies and even where she said she didn't want it anymore and I told her tough and then she even said she would make something up. Anymore, people have gotten so stupid with eBay anyway, that items are going for more than what you can buy new for. Back when the Mugen MBX5T came out, I was getting complete sets of shocks for under $25 for fronts or rears, now they are going for well over $50-$60 and you can just buy them from somewhere like A Main or Tilted for $45.

 

[NCNitro]

Ok then, multiply that 83 cents lets just say by 10, that is now $8.30, 100 $83.00, then add the listing fee, even with my big huge nickel back, and the now required paypal fee, it will all start to add up real quick. And then you may have to wait an additional month to even get your money if the buyer does not bother to leave you feedback, which we all know many buyers do not bother to leave feedback.

Will it break the bank, most likely no, but with the reported profits they are already making, I see this as nothing more than the greed of a huge monopoly.

It's not just the price increase to me thats the problem, it's the whole enchilada.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[WoodiE]

I see your point and I'm just like anyone else but then again as I've said prices are always going to go up like it or not. Lets say you worked for eBay and you're like everyone else in the work force - I'm sure you would like a raise every year, better benefits, more time off, etc, etc.

A company will only dig into their pockets for so long until they start making changes, where do you think the company is getting this money from? From increased in prices or decreased expenses (ie laying off people).

Don't get me wrong I'm not turning a blind eye to the crazy amounts of money CEO's and other higher ups make each year, but then again this isn't new. This has been the way the game has been played in all of business since day one, nothing new.

Bottom line is eBay is in a perfect place to pretty much do what they want how they want. Name one other auction site that has even half the traffic ebay has - you can't because there isn't one. The have a firm grasp on the market just as Microsoft has a firm grasp of the OS market - until someone or someones can come forward with a better product we're forced to pay the higher rates and accept the buggy software.



-Michael

 

[SMaxxin]

I read the email and didn't really worry about the price changes, I think they were too high before and worst now but the price goes up on everything.

The feedback changes and forcing us to use paypal is what really bothers me. I think they are battling a lot of back charges from credit cards and that is one of the reasons they will push for this.

Here is how I see this going...

You will be forced to use paypal or a major credit card

Later on.....You will be forced to use paypal or a credit card approved by eBay. This means eBay will make deals with CC companies that if eBay accepts their card the customer will not be able to back charge eBay or paypal.

 

[HeartBreak]

The only positive I see here is from the buyers' standpoint. Lets' say you buy something, and the seller jerks you around (I've had that happen). The seller wouldn't see a penny of your money until he made it right. Honest sellers have nothing to be worried about here.

Now, I can see why a seller would be worried. A scammer could, in theory, not leave you feedback or file a claim, etc. That would leave you both cash and item-less.

Do I agree with eBay's policy changes? Only about the buyer protection. Otherwise, I don't agree with their changes from a selling standpoint.

As for the emails; I've yet to get one. I guess because I haven't sold in over a year on ebay, they skipped over me.

 

[Racer 1966]

I agree that it's normal for prices to increase, but I still side NC on this one. Also,I think they were VERY decieving in their annoucement e-mail. I think a class-action lawsuit could be won if it were brought about on it too.
I'm sure you read it, but for informational purposes here is the first part of the e-mail :

Seller Update: Fees, Rewards & Standards
eBay buyers want value and selection from sellers they can trust--and good sellers deserve rewards for delivering great customer service. That's why we're making a number of important changes that may affect you:

Reduced Listing Fees
You asked, we listened. We're reducing Insertion Fees and adjusting Final Value Fees to lower your up-front cost to sell on eBay.

They start saying good sellers need to be rewarded then say they are reducing the listing fees. In the same sentence about lowering your up-front cost they mention the final value fees. At a glance does that not sound like the final value fee too would be reduced? How many people will see that,accept it without reading the details and then get hit with the extra cost?

Yes, anyone that sells should look at the details, but the wording in this context is too deceptive. It runs along the lines of the old "bait and switch" routine.

Forcing you to use PayPal is no surprise, PayPal is an eBay company.

Buyers can only receive positive feedback?!? That just totally destroys the purpose of feedback. I don't know about you, but I look at the feedback of buyers in my auctions, an yes I have cancelled bids from people with poor feedback.

I sell consignment items, with the listing fee, final value fee, PayPal fee and my fee, the owner of the item I'm selling loses almost 20% already. Now it'll be approaching 25%, not a lot of people are willing to take that much of a cut. At this point, I still think I'm inclined to say good by to eBay, at least as a seller.

 

[Lessen]

Anymore, people have gotten so stupid with eBay anyway, that items are going for more than what you can buy new for. Back when the Mugen MBX5T came out, I was getting complete sets of shocks for under $25 for fronts or rears, now they are going for well over $50-$60 and you can just buy them from somewhere like A Main or Tilted for $45.

I don't get it... are people really THAT stupid? I just won two Spektrum Rx's on Ebay (since there B/O pretty much everywhere). Shipping was $6 (overpriced for standard mail) so I bid a max of $75. I won it at $71. I just can't imagine why somebody would pay more than retail.. unless supply/demand is out of whack for something rare of course. Fortunately I got a good deal on the other one at around 50ish. I like the Bay for buying but not for selling.. too much hassle if you ask me.. all these fees and what not.. eh. I'll leave that to the biz.

 

[NCNitro]

And so it begins...

Caswell No Longer Selling On E-Bay

Dear Customer,

You are receiving this message because at one time, you purchased something from Caswell Inc on E-Bay and asked to receive future e-mails from us.

As a reminder, we're the folks who sell small electroplating kits, metal polishing supplies, and powder coating systems and supplies.

Because of E-Bay's recent fee increases, it is no longer possible for us to sell on E-Bay; however, that doesn't mean we have to part ways.

We value you as a previous customer, and want you to know that you can always reach us on our web site at ***.*********




I hope more sellers will do the same, maybe then the morons running the show will pull their heads out of their asses.

But even more than the raise in fees, the feedback thing really bothers me, it is totally biased to the buyer, and all but kicks the seller in the junk. I can't even count the times sellers would not bother to leave feedback for something I sold, that would leave me waiting nearly a month in a best case scenario to get my money, then if at any time while I am waiting for my money the buyer decides to dispute it, now it's a HUGE mess. I don't see how this can possibly attract any new sellers, rather quite the opposite, I see more sellers going the route this seller did, and I commend them for it!

 

[Lessen]

I agree man. It doesn't seem like a level playing field at all. I've never sold anything on the bay and they certainly aren't luring me as a new customer.

 

[swarmjt]

i too am done with selling on there.. just isnt worth my time anymore

 

[NCNitro]

check this out...

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/07/smbusiness/ebay_boycott.fsb/index.htm?postversion=2008021009

 

[Rolex]

I knew something drastic would come of Ebay's stupidity and greed.

A discussion thread on eBay's own forums with the title "Sign the pledge_no sales Feb 18-25!" has received 4,000 posts in nine days,

I'm in. Don't even go to the site on those days. When they realize the price this will cost them, they will have to re-think their changes.

 

[HeartBreak]

I'm already in on that. I haven't sold on ebay in years. I'd rather sell my stuff here. The buyers are nicer, and I know it goes to someone who can really put it to use.

 

[SMaxxin]

It's great that buyers are trying to pull together and I'm defiantly in! The problem is that after the week of no selling most sellers will have more listings than normal trying to make up for their losses. It will result in eBay making more money than normal over the next few weeks after the boycott is over...And eBay knows this.

Until eBay has real competition nothing will change.

 

[Rolex]

Until eBay has real competition nothing will change.

Unfortunately, that's true. However, many sellers will bail out because of their ridiculous new rules and fees, and many others will stop dealing with PayPal and only take credit cards. That's another loss for them.
I'm sure they thought that since they were the only game in town they could do as they pleased.
In the long run, this will hurt them if they continue and competition will start to blossom.
I would just love to sit by and watch them take the fall.

 

[WoodiE]

4,000 members sounds like a big number until you look at the entire picture. eBay has MILLIONS of users, 4,000 members isn't even a drop in the bucket - three times this number isn't even a drop in the bucket.

Sure some are going to stop selling but not all of them will be able to do it for long, considering eBay is some peoples only or main source of income. Look at the article that Joe posted above "Joe Hackney of Sadetha, Kan., has run a business selling used motorcycle parts through eBay auctions since 2002. His decision to take part in the boycott means losing a week of business: about $6,500 in gross sales, plus the cost of wages for two employees who will be sent home on paid leave."
I'm willing to bet Joe won't do this long. Nobody is going to go homeless or hungry just because they don't like the new fees.

I'm sure they thought that since they were the only game in town they could do as they pleased.
In the long run, this will hurt them if they continue and competition will start to blossom.

Will it? Look how long Microsoft has been putting out half assed operating systems and applications. While there is competition it's so little that MS isn't worried about it. eBay is the MS of auction sites, sure there might be others out there but they don't pull in a fraction of the traffic of what eBay does.

I think unless a big company decides to go up against eBay then we all don't have many choices - like it or not.




-Michael

 

[robmob]

Big boys have gone up against eBay and failed.

Yahoo Auctions or Amazon Auctions anyone?

 

[WoodiE]

Big boys have gone up against eBay and failed.

Yahoo Auctions or Amazon Auctions anyone?

Google Auctions? They already have a google cart now!



-Michael

 

[robmob]

Personally, I am grateful to have a place to peddle all the collectible crap that I and my dad have accumulated over the years. No way in hell would I even get a fraction of the dollars I have gotten on my items if I had to sell it without eBay. One mans junk is another mans treasure holds true with eBay. Without eBay, most of the stuff I have sold would have ended up in the trash or recycling bin. There is a lot to be said for being able to reach millions of potential buyers.

I am not happy about the new rules and fee changes, but there is nothing I can do about it. Just like the rising postage rates, I just pass the cost on to the buyer.

 

[hamz9561]

I was going to try and help my sister and brother-in-law sell some of the jewelry they make on e-Bay. After all of this garbage and fee increases. I already have a PayPal account but the no negative feedback for sellers is ridiculous. I was only going to do it for a small fee for them, but I don't know anymore.