well the needles when they came off the OS .21 rg were set perfectly at around 220-235, although i can not tell you were they were at in terms of how many turns in and out..and after i tuned the 20e with the 8-port i had to lean out the high speed alot, around a whole turn in..to get it to run at 220-230. the low end needle seemed fine right were it was at from being on the RG. i know this doesn't help at all...and i realy dont want to go bottem out my needles and count revolutions as ill most likely havto re-tune. sorry man buts thats all i can tell yah. -peace