Which buggy?

[Zoomer]

:clap: lol, good idea. i will check into it....

 

[Çh®i§tiªñ]

Kyosho or Mugen! Hoo Raa!

:jet:

 

[Nitroaddict]

humboldt - he may be taking into account that the storm doesn't have an engine, and the lightening does, albeit a crappy one.

 

[Lason]

Originally posted by humboldtblazer
ok here's the short. Why is the lighning not a good racer? Because no Pro's or Am's are racing it period.

Are you really this ignorant? Ofna didnt have many drivers untill a few months back and now I see them placing in A mains more and more. Just because a company doesn't sponsor any drivers doesn't mean they suck.

Originally posted by humboldtblazer
In racing aftermarket is everything. Stock parts of any machine do not perform like racing gear

My K2 and Hyper 7 Pro dont have any aftermarket parts, just what fell out of the box when I got it and they are both very competative :egad:

I can't say anything about the Lightning because I have never raced nor seen one raced but they do look a little weak for racing. If you dont want to go wrong, get a Mugen or Kyosho. By the way the latest pro races were in Oklahoma City and the 1/8 A main consisted of Kyosho 7.5's, Mugen MBX5 and 4RR's and Hyper 7's, I didnt see one GS Storm in the main but it must have been a fluke (yeah right).

 

[wbynum]

Originally posted by Nitroaddict
humboldt - he may be taking into account that the storm doesn't have an engine, and the lightening does, albeit a crappy one.

Exactly. www.rcboyz.com has the Lightning Pro for $320. Part the engine (yes, it is a crappy one) and pipe out on ebay for ~$100 and the chassis ends up costing you ~$220, thus $170 cheaper than the $390 Storm Pro kit.

 

[wbynum]

Originally posted by Nitroaddict
humboldt - he may be taking into account that the storm doesn't have an engine, and the lightening does, albeit a crappy one.

Exactly. www.rcboyz.com has the Lightning Pro for $320. Part the engine (yes, it is a crappy one) and pipe out on ebay for ~$100 and the chassis ends up costing you ~$220, thus $170 cheaper than the $390 Storm Pro kit.

That is cool that the Storm Pro has the set screws for the hinge pins. Set screws basically eliminate your hinge pin holders from wearing out. The new Mugen car is real slick in this area. It has flat spots on the hinge pins where the set screws go.

As for the Lightning Pro engine, it is slow but is pretty easy to tune and is reliable. For anyone that is a newbie to RC engines, I would defintely stick with the included engine until you get used to tunning. The general rule of gas RC is that you will abuse your first engine from lack of tunning knowledge so you might as well abuse the $100 included engine instead of a $200+ performance engine.

Originally posted by humboldtblazer
but what about all the extra money for the better parts for looks or perfomance that the Storm pro comes with that the Lightning Pro desnt or does that not work both ways?

but I forgot all those hop-ups that the Storm comes with you dont really need right?

Ofcourse it works both ways. That's why I clearly stated in my respone to your post that if the hop-ups on the Storm Pro are worth $170 to the buyer then they should get the Storm Pro.

As for the hopups you need or don't need on the Storm, I broke those down also. I think I was pretty clear in which hop-ups are worth while and which are for looks. A newbie should know which hop-ups matter instead of just being given a list of hop-ups which would make him think the buggy with more hopups had to be better on the track than a buggy with less hopups.

Sorry, for all the duplicate posts. My connection was actign funky.

 

[wbynum]

Originally posted by humboldtblazer

So does the Storm

Cool, although the Mugen is a bit slicker in that it has true flat places on the hinge pins. From your picture it looks like the Storm hinge pins don't.

Originally posted by humboldtblazer

And clearly you are the officanato on this subject. I think it would be a little better to say "in my opinion" because if you dont caveat that above sentence I would like to know what experience you have or what race credintials or trophies you have.

You are making this to easy. What do you think "Here is my opinion on these differences. Again these are only my opinions" means? These two sentences were clearly stated at the top of my reply to your post on the list of hopups.

Originally posted by humboldtblazer

When buying online it is always a good idea to factor in shipping and depending on where it is coming from and going to I have seen it add almost $50 to a kit.

When buying locally it is always a good idea to factor in tax. Let's take your $390 Storm Pro from your local hobby shop. At 8% tax, that equals $31.20. That is about $13 more than the $18 I paid for shipping from rcboyz.com. That shipping quote includes $100 worth of merchandise that I bought along with the Lightning Pro.

Also, if you are paying $50 to have a 1/8th scale buggy shipped you are either buying from some rip-off ebay person or live in Alaska, in which case I imagine your local hobby shop price in Alaska would be more than $390 for the Storm Pro.

 

[wbynum]

Originally posted by humboldtblazer
in California we pay tax for online items

I do agree that some parts do seem like they are for looks only rather than performance, but when you take a deeper look into what each individual hop-up actally does you will see those "looks only" hop-ups to add to the overall regidity of the chassis setup and this is very important due to the fact it lets your suspenion actuate coorectly so you are not bounching around and you can actually put power to the ground, and some other "looks" only hop-ups are to add to overall durability so you dont fall out of the A-main do t breakage. You will see why a very rigid radio tray and metal post contribute to hadling, steering, and throttle response when you upgrade those servos to some race grade digitals. You would be surprised how much a steering servo and throttle servo with all their torque can actually twist or move the radio tray sending everything attached to it out of alignment and this has a direct affect on steering and throttle/brake response. All in all if YOU can't tell the difference than that is you. I CAN tell the difference when I drive my RTR and my Pro with the same exact sport engines/servos/and pipe. There are many other RC'ers out there that are in tune with their machines and understand chassis setups and what different effect have on different parts but it seems you are just not there yet. If that is the case with the purchaser than it shouldt matter if you buy an Axis or a Kani2

If you trully want to talk about a buggy being rigid, head over to the Start Grid forums. More than once I have seen world class drivers post that you want some flex in your chassis. That's one reason many people stick with the braces going to the chassis instead of running solid braces from the front and rear to the center diff. As for servo's mocing the radio tray with plastic posts, I have not noticed this with my 200oz servos I run on steering and throttle.

Anyways, I guess I am done. This has just come down to a bashing session where you say I am a novice driver even though you have never seen me run or know nothing about me. We certainly are not going to agree on hopups either.

As a final note, for anyone considering the Storm or Lightning, head on over to the Starting Grid forums and ask about the buggies there. You will get opinions from top drivers around the country.

 

[fear factory]

Hey there guys ,i just registered after reading this thread and tought you guys might like some info on buggies from down under ,here in Australia.Firstly,mabe because we are closer to Asia than you guys might be why we have this info and you don't.The lightning pro is made by a company in Asia called Ming Yang and therfore Hot Bodies are only the distibutor for the car in the states.Here in Australia the car is known as the Sacker Pro.Just like you guys the car is fairly new to us,however the pro was raced in this years New Zealand(a country just south east off Australia)nationals.This was the cars first major outing in the hands of the pros,the car TQ'D and ended up 2nd&3rd in the Nationals.The winner of the Nationals will now be racing the Sacker Pro(Lightning) for the 2003-2004 season.Also Atsushi Hara(former touring car world champ)will be racing the Lightning Pro at major events around the world later on in the year.The car is also being driven by a writer for our national r/c car magazine (Racing Lines)[email protected] has used it to TQ,Win & set new track records.So down here the car is making a very good name for it self.By the way i don't own a Sacker Pro or race 1/8th buggies,i however race an mtx3 in touring cars, i however wil be getting my first buggy soon and can't decide between the Sacker,Kyosho or Mugen.Although going by the results it might be the Sacker Pro.

 

[Zoomer]

Thanx fear, that is great to know,

I am in the same field you are in, touring car, wanting to get a 1/8th buggy, hehehehehe.
Thanx for the Ausi Insight!!!!! lol

 

[fear factory]

Also forgot to mention that Team Associated & Losi are looking at releasing 8th scale buggies in the new year.Looks like these things are getting more and more popular(can only be a good thing)

 

[DarthRacer]

How many Inferno parts are compatible with the Lightning Pro?

 

[Kuma]

Originally posted by fear factory
Also forgot to mention that Team Associated & Losi are looking at releasing 8th scale buggies in the new year.Looks like these things are getting more and more popular(can only be a good thing)

Wow, LOSI!? They're already dominant of 1/10 elec buggies and might do the same for 1/8...in 6 years. Lots of companies going to 1/8 buggies lately, Acer (the bearing guys) are doing an AR-8 buggy which looks interesting. :w00t:

 

[wbynum]

The rumors about Associated and Losi getting into the 1/8th scale buggy scene have been around for quite a while. They could probably take a big chunk of the market in the US if they did ever release a 1/8th scale buggy.

Great news on the Lightning Pro doing good down under. I guess the Lightning Pro isn't a backyard basher afterall...

 

[HumboldtBlazer]

:no_commen :jet:

 

[Nitronick]

Hyper 7.

Dont need to say much more. (sorry couldnt be tossed to read whole thread so just answeard the title question)

 

[FlyinRazorback]

The Hypers I've raced against seem to always have front or rear drive shaft problems. One guy even snapped his front CVD. The H7's are good racers, don't get me wrong, but I am leary of their durability. Always seems to be one thing or another breaking on them.

 

[Nitronick]

As with all buggys they break, But i race against Storms and everyone of them has broke a chassis and at £50.00 a bat that gets a bit pricey. Also Hobao (ofna) spares are about 30-40% cheaper then storm parts and even more so the Koyoshi parts.

Hey I Love my 7

 

[HumboldtBlazer]

That would be incredable to see someone break a chassis on a 1/8 scale! Even in the 70ft in XXXmain vid that did not happen. I like to jump real big and some of the local racers and I with our "other buggies" hold jumping contests. Of all the brands involved in all the times we have done it I am the only one with chassis damage and the rear was bent up and make it a lowerider. It was a stock chassis on a Storm RTR and was jumped at leat 20ft high and about 60ft in legnth as the jump was going down a gradual slope and hence such a far distance.

 

[Zoomer]

What do you guys think about the Schumacher XTR 3E??? Does anyone own one or what?????? oh yeah, i found another interesting thingy for the T-maxx: http://www.harcohobbies.com/tmaxx_zone/swamp_maxx_project/swamp_maxx.aspx