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Stratocaster

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This is the engine in question:
http://www.go-engine.com/pdt_view.asp?sn=173&area=1&cat=1

Its a new engine. Straight out of the box, hardly had it running yet.

Here's the issues I'm having with it;

There is a lot of pinch at TDC. Now I understand that this is a good thing but its so tight that my starter box has a lot of trouble turning it over unless its heated up to 95 - 100C.

So I heat it up to 95 - 100C and turns it over fine, but the carb is so hot I have a lot of trouble getting fuel to it. When I blow into the exhaust tube to push fuel to the carb it does this backwards and forwards thing. I believe that its because the fuel is vaporising and pushing it back out of the carb.

I've done everything I can think of (short of taking it off while I heat the engine) to keep the carb cool including wrapping it in tinfoil and cold damp paper towel, but to no avail.

I'm heating the engine by putting a heating cap over the heat sink and using a heat gun on the crankcase as the heating cap doesn't seem to be up to the task on its own.

The idle screw is set to 1mm and I've tried the high and low speed needles at factory settings and both slightly leaner and slightly richer, even a lot richer.

I've had it running very briefly, like a 1 or 2 seconds a couple of times and it just rev'd up then cut out straight away. I had quite a bit of trim on my throttle. Stupidly I can't remember what my needle settings were when it did this, I think the low speed was lean from factory settings and the high speed was rich.

Any thoughts or ideas will be welcomed.

*I should also mention that while trying to prime the engine by covering up the exhaust I am getting fuel on the end of my screw driver. So it does seem to be putting fuel through the engine.
 
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Try loosening the glow plug about a quarter of a turn before starting. This will help relieve a bit of the compression to help it start. Once it's started then tighten it back up.
 
Thanks, I did try that a couple of times, didn't seem to make any difference. While I was trying to get it going taking the plug out was the only way to get the engine spinning again once it'd gotten stuck.
 
While I was trying to get it going taking the plug out was the only way to get the engine spinning again once it'd gotten stuck.

That's just because your engine is new and tight. Are you priming it before you're pre-heating it? Prime it up,heat the engine up to +150 if you can and loosen up the glow plug a notch. With a descent heat gun it only takes a short time.
 
That's just because your engine is new and tight. Are you priming it before you're pre-heating it? Prime it up,heat the engine up to +150 if you can and loosen up the glow plug a notch. With a descent heat gun it only takes a short time.

Yeah I'm priming it before I heat it but the heat seems to vaporise the fuel and pushes it out. I'm heating it up to 100 degrees Celsius or about 212 degrees Fahrenheit. Its the only way to get the engine to turn over.
 
With the piston @ BDC and after warming the engine up to 150F if the starter box is struggling to turn the engine its most likely a starter box issue… Weak battery(s) or motor.
 
So the problem, as I understand it:
1. Hard to turn over.
2. It's only started a few times and then immediately dies.

Correct?

1. As others noted, heat, loosen glow plug a bit, etc. Also, ensure engine is not flooded. I don't even prime my engines on the box. Take the plug off---unflood, and then try to start again without priming. I imagine that is your problem.

2.Could be a lot of things. I don't think it's your carb getting hot. Does it die when you remove ignitor...or when you give it some throttle, or....?Try a new plug. Also, it could be stalling because due to being so rich (the engine is loading up). Could be bad fuel, etc. Definitely check your tubing and fuel tank. Put another engine on it and see if it has same problems. Does it backfire at all? i.e. After starting it and it stops, when you put the ignitor back on, does the pipe make a "puff" sound?

Finally, when adjusting idle stop, try doing so via the idle screw instead of trim. I usually open up my idle quite a bit during break in....and then lower it after tuning it.
 
With the piston @ BDC and after warming the engine up to 150F if the starter box is struggling to turn the engine its most likely a starter box issue… Weak battery(s) or motor.

The starter box wheel is really worn so maybe its not getting enough traction. When it did start I think it was around 150F, so I'll fix the wheel and give that a try. Thanks.
 
So the problem, as I understand it:
1. Hard to turn over.
2. It's only started a few times and then immediately dies.

Correct?

1. As others noted, heat, loosen glow plug a bit, etc. Also, ensure engine is not flooded. I don't even prime my engines on the box. Take the plug off---unflood, and then try to start again without priming. I imagine that is your problem.

2.Could be a lot of things. I don't think it's your carb getting hot. Does it die when you remove ignitor...or when you give it some throttle, or....?Try a new plug. Also, it could be stalling because due to being so rich (the engine is loading up). Could be bad fuel, etc. Definitely check your tubing and fuel tank. Put another engine on it and see if it has same problems. Does it backfire at all? i.e. After starting it and it stops, when you put the ignitor back on, does the pipe make a "puff" sound?

Finally, when adjusting idle stop, try doing so via the idle screw instead of trim. I usually open up my idle quite a bit during break in....and then lower it after tuning it.

I have tried making sure the engine is not flooded. It is probably one of the issues but doesn't seem to make any difference as far as starting goes.

Its only started a couple of times after a lot of trying. (Its very frustrating) It dies almost immediately, I don't even have time to take the igniter out or even give it some throttle. The fuel tank and tubing are all new. My old engine starts pretty much first try. (Thats after I fixed some pitting in the button and piston which was the reason I was replacing it in the first place. Its been less trouble fixing the old engine than getting the new one going)

The reason I think its the heat is because of the air bubbles that come back down the fuel line when the engine is hot. I don't think its air I think its just vaporised fuel. At least I'm led to believe. How I understand it is that the fuel running through the engine usually keeps the workings of the carb cool enough to function in normal use but if its too hot while trying to start it then you get vapour lock. I'm not sure what boiling point of the fuel is but that is what seems to be happening. But maybe I'm wrong maybe I've got an air leak somewhere. I'll give that a look.
 
You might just try replacing the fuel line as a precaution. It really won't hurt and is an inexpensive and easy precaution.
 
Based on what I'm reading, you should also open your idle more (via the idle-stop screw). Open it 1/4 turn and let us know if that fixed it. Regarding the bubbles--those are a pain, but should be okay. That sounds like something in your ignition timing.
 
Based on what I'm reading, you should also open your idle more (via the idle-stop screw). Open it 1/4 turn and let us know if that fixed it. Regarding the bubbles--those are a pain, but should be okay. That sounds like something in your ignition timing.

I'll give that a go. Thanks. Probably won't be able to get to it for a few days yet cause I've got a race meet this weekend.
 
Turned out their was a blockage in the pipe where the exhaust pressure line connects. So I wasn't getting any fuel pressure. I just thought I'd let you guys know. Thanks for the help.

I never would have thought of that, but I had a guy at my club take a look at it and thats what he discovered.
 
Thanks for the follow-up. This help a good reminder for us all to maintain our pipes more often. I've tried a lot of pipes and they really do make a difference (hint: Werks is the best out there for off-road, IMO). ;-) Glad to see you are running again.
 
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