Thanks for all the inputs, and another Traxxas I might decide to get is the Slash. I was just at the hobby shop comparing both the Rustler and the Slash and the Slash is edging the wrestler out at this point by a smidgen . Didn't want to buy today I want to think about it , but if I were to buy right now it would probably be the Slash . Both are pretty cool, and I don't think I could go wrong with either , and the models I am looking at have all the upgraded shocks and suspension and drivetrain in them already. The tsm stability is neat.