question about break in. (noob)

[R/C Newbie]

Thanks for the info though Zandor I will remember this thread when I get my truck so it wasn't a total waste

 

[ZANDOR]

Thanks for the info though Zandor I will remember this thread when I get my truck so it wasn't a total waste

Thanks man!

 

[Socomgod 420]

Sorry zandor. Its just that the hsn is now 9 turns out. It seems to be running great. So when the hsn was at 4 turns out I thought you were telling me the engine was rich and to lean the hsn.

I'm really sorry I didnt mean to waste your sunday

 

[ZANDOR]

9 Turns out......
When the factory settings are 4 1/2..BS..
You have more problems....
Good luck with that mill.....
Go ask your LHS if they think it has an air leak!
Then tell them to try again...They are idiots...

Matter of fact I don't think you can even turn a neddle 9 turns It would fall out!

One more thing I thing you need to do some reading on tuning......

 

[Socomgod 420]

9 Turns out......
When the factory settings are 4 1/2..BS..
You have more problems....
Good luck with that mill.....
Go ask your LHS if they think it has an air leak!
Then tell them to try again...They are idiots...

Matter of fact I don't think you can even turn a neddle 9 turns It would fall out!

One more thing I thing you need to do some reading on tuning......

I dont know man He told me he turned the hsn out 4 turns. Before I took it up there it was about 4 1/4 out. He ran the truck in the parking lot for about 2 tanks. To me it seemed like he knew what he was doing.

You know maybe he meant 4 hours out.

 

[Monkey Wrench]

I agree. If it really took nine complete turns out on the HSN, then it is leaking air somewhere...badly! If stock is 4 to 4 1/2 turns out from bottom, then hypothetically, you should be leaning it out (turning clockwise) as the engine breaks in.

Looking over the thread, I'm not sure you gave Zandor's advice enough time to work. He had you on the right path (which is why you didn't see a lot of others jumping in, that way it avoids confusion) so I think with the number of times you adjusted the needle, it got way, way out of whack.

What I think the guy at your hobby shop is alluding to is that he backed it out four turns from bottom. You may have thought he backed it out from your setting, but typically, if I have an engine acting up on me, I'll bottom the HSN then return it to factory settings and go from there.

I think the overall lesson from what Zandor's posts were implying is that patience is the overall key to truly enjoying this hobby, my man. These are little engines and even the smallest adjustment can have a huge impact on their performance. Make an adjustment, then run it for a bit to see what happens. If it still is not performing as it should, then adjust again, but only adjust one thing at a time! Everyone here (Zandor included) at one time tried adjusting the HSN, the LSN and a host of other things at the same time, only to end up with the same results. Dial one aspect in, then move to the other.

Eventually, you'll end up where you want to be!

Good luck!

 

[Socomgod 420]

I agree. If it really took nine complete turns out on the HSN, then it is leaking air somewhere...badly! If stock is 4 to 4 1/2 turns out from bottom, then hypothetically, you should be leaning it out (turning clockwise) as the engine breaks in.

Looking over the thread, I'm not sure you gave Zandor's advice enough time to work. He had you on the right path (which is why you didn't see a lot of others jumping in, that way it avoids confusion) so I think with the number of times you adjusted the needle, it got way, way out of whack.

What I think the guy at your hobby shop is alluding to is that he backed it out four turns from bottom. You may have thought he backed it out from your setting, but typically, if I have an engine acting up on me, I'll bottom the HSN then return it to factory settings and go from there.

I think the overall lesson from what Zandor's posts were implying is that patience is the overall key to truly enjoying this hobby, my man. These are little engines and even the smallest adjustment can have a huge impact on their performance. Make an adjustment, then run it for a bit to see what happens. If it still is not performing as it should, then adjust again, but only adjust one thing at a time! Everyone here (Zandor included) at one time tried adjusting the HSN, the LSN and a host of other things at the same time, only to end up with the same results. Dial one aspect in, then move to the other.

Eventually, you'll end up where you want to be!

Good luck!

no I watched him the whole time he was tampering with my "$500 toy". He never set the hsn back to factory. basically we went outside and started the truck He made adjustments to both needles over about 2 tanks. He basically told me that the engine was way to lean. This guy was in his 40s and when he was tuning my "$500 toy" he seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

If there was an airleak where should I look for it? It would be between the tank and the carb right?

 

[ZANDOR]

no I watched him the whole time he was tampering with my "$500 toy". He never set the hsn back to factory. basically we went outside and started the truck He made adjustments to both needles over about 2 tanks. He basically told me that the engine was way to lean. This guy was in his 40s and when he was tuning my "$500 toy" he seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

If there was an airleak where should I look for it? It would be between the tank and the carb right?

Take it to the 40 year old smart man that turned the HSN out 9 turns...he should be able to figure it out!

 

[Socomgod 420]

Take it to the 40 year old smart man that turned the HSN out 9 turns...he should be able to figure it out!

thanks...

 

[Monkey Wrench]

One culprit may be between the backplate and the block. Another may be around the carb throat. Yet another may be because the head isn't tightened down to the block tight enough. There could also be a nick in the fuel line or the tank lid isn't sealing properly.

I realize you may think the individual at your hobby shop did not set the needle to factory, but I have to admit, I have a difficult time believing the HSN is set to nine turns when the manual indicates a stock setting of four to four-and-a-half. I've had engines be maybe a quarter to a half off from where the manual indicates stock is, but not by five turns. Something else is wrong and while I'm sure the LHS had the best of intentions, unless they are getting paid, I doubt they'll take the time to truly diagnose the problem.

My suggestion (and take it for what it's worth) is to pull the engine and seal the backplate and carb throat with RTV sealant. I'd also check the fuel lines and tank lid to make sure those are in good shape.

I don't doubt it's running like a top now, but you indicate a desire for the engine to last and for that to happen, you need to make sure it is sealed up as tight as a virgin prom queen!

 

[Socomgod 420]

I'm just going to see if tower hobbies will just give me a refund.
Maybe I should just stick to electric.

 

[Monkey Wrench]

Maybe I should just stick to electric.

Yeah, maybe you should.

Good luck with the refund.

 

[Socomgod 420]

Yeah, maybe you should.

Good luck with the refund.

No i say I would like a refund because basically I spent $429 on a defective truck. I dont feel I should have to fix something that should have been good from the get go.

I was actually planning on buying a revo in a couple of weeks. The warhead was just a toy for me to mess around with. But If it shipped from the factory with this many problems then I feel they should fix it.

I just checked the hsn setting. It is 9 turns out. God I dont know what to do now. I feel like I've been completly ripped off. Would it be a good idea not to run it anymore? I would be willing to pay someone to fix it Its just now I guess I can't trust my lhs.

 

[jetmechG550]

Didn't you ask me why I referred to them as Duratrash?

 

[R/C Newbie]

Still reading

 

[Socomgod 420]

Honestly the only reason I signed up for this forum is to learn and also get help. I never had any intentions of stepping on anyone’s toes. I generally work 50-60 hours a week. Luckily I was off on wed cause I’ve been dying to get the truck broke in so I could start enjoying it. Before I went across the street to break it in wed I read this entire thread again. Before I started the truck I leaned the hsn ½ turn as suggested. The truck seemed to be running great. About 5 minutes into the tank I decided to check the temp of the engine. It was over 300f it freaked me out because I know it’s not ever supposed to get that hot. I was worried so I decided to go to my lhs and see what they thought of the situitation. Obviously the guy that tuned my truck must have been a moron. And yes he did turn the hsn out 9 ½ turns. (I verified this for myself last night). However since the truck seemed to be running great I thought everything was ok. Remember that this is my first nitro and my first break in. Either way I’m pretty sure I would have had problems with the truck due to the fact that it has a leak somewhere. And when I made that post last night saying “you guys aren’t going to believe this” I meant it sincerely I wasn’t trying to be an ass. Hell even though I’m a newb at this it freaked me out when he told me he let the hsn out 4 turns. Like the idiot I am I assumed the moron knew how to tune the truck.

I contacted tower hobbies warranty dept today. They couldn’t believe the truck was running with the hsn set out 9 ½ turns. She said I could either send just the engine or the whole truck back. I told her I’m just going to send the whole thing back.

She told me to include a letter describing the problems. So I'm going to box it up and send it in ASAP.

Once again I’m sorry that I pissed you guys off so much. But after all everyone’s a noob at one time right. It wasn’t intentional it’s just that I didn’t know any better.

Once again thanks to everyone that tried to help me. I hope that in the future if I had a question that I won’t be treated like a redheaded stepchild on this forum. Because honestly this forum is the best I had found.

Sorry about the long post I just felt that I needed to apologize to anyone who felt like I was wasting there time.

 

[ZANDOR]

Good to hear...Send it back and pick up the revo like you were going to in the first place..
My self and I am sure others will be here to help you out...
No hard feelings
All that I ask is the next go around listen and relax..

 

[Socomgod 420]

Good to hear...Send it back and pick up the revo like you were going to in the first place..
My self and I am sure others will be here to help you out...
No hard feelings
All that I ask is the next go around listen and relax..

Thans man,

I was actually thinking about the jato 3.3 stadium truck. I would like to get back on the track. This would be better for the track than the revo right?

If I bought a revo I think i would reather have the 3.3. How is the 2.5? is the 3.3 worth the extra money?

God I hope that they will let me exchange the warhead for something else. Although running it in my parking lot last night was a blast. It was hauling ass.

I'm sure any traxxas product would be better. Hell the jato comes with a weelie bar so I'm assuming its pretty fast.

thanks in advance

 

[R/C Newbie]

If you are a noob you will prolly have a hard time with the Jato 3.3 as it is very very fast and hard to control for noobs. This is what I have read as I am a noob to but did alot of research before I bought my Revo 3.3 was looking at the Jato but it says to get the 3.3 you should have expert exp with nitro r/c's Just My 2 Cents

 

[Socomgod 420]

If you are a noob you will prolly have a hard time with the Jato 3.3 as it is very very fast and hard to control for noobs. This is what I have read as I am a noob to but did alot of research before I bought my Revo 3.3 was looking at the Jato but it says to get the 3.3 you should have expert exp with nitro r/c's Just My 2 Cents

Your probably right. I watched the video for the jato and it looked INSANE! If they let me I'm just gonna exchange for the revo3.3

Although I'm a complete newb to nitro. I've had my feet wet with electrics before. I've owned a kyosho laser 4wd forever.(gift as a child) From what I understand It was one of the best 4wd buggies of its time. I took it to the track a few times in 2001 and I had a blast with it. Now that I have the money I'm gonna buy a couple of toys to play around with. I've been into rc off and on for over 12 years.

But yea the jato may be a tad to much.

How do you like you're revo 3.3?