How fast is Fast and Furious?

[SVORay]

I have a question for you guys do you think that the new 2005 or 2006 charger is american muscle? what about the new chevy cobalt? or that saturan ion redline? Or would you guys consider those little 4 bangs a tuner car?

Ummm there a interresting question or questions. The idea of an American made car is long since past. Now a days it's defind by how much of the car is put together state side. I pretty much still call them American muscle based on if they have muscle or not. The Colalt SS does come with a few ponies but hardly anything I would consider muscle. These small motor cars also lack the torque of the SB/BB had/have. I'm more inclided to call them tuner cars my self. I will add, I'm trying to be unbiasist as one possiblly can be. My last car was a 1985 SVO that came stock with a turbocharged 2.3L. I would hardly call it a tuner car but I would never call it a muscle car. The car was built for road racing and it did it very well.

Ray

 

[Jeep]

I think my moms sienna can even pull 16.8 in the quarter. Which is sad, but I hate my dad and his friend just because they had the fastest cars at their high school, with another guy.

My dad had a candy apple red 1969 mach 1 mustang, his friend had a blue 68 gt500kr (best year for gt500 imho, none of that eleanor crap), and a another guy had a 68 or 69 z28 camaro. But what kills me is my dad sold his car for practically nothing, and his friend trades his gt500 for air conditioning. If only they kept them, but i still have a 1927 chevy sedan with 2 flathead 4 bangers (ones a spare), sitting in a back yard waiting to be cleaned up.

I hate it how every kid (I'm 19 but don't apply ) with a civic or whatever puts a muffler that makes it sound like a go kart or dirt bike, then puts a gigantic wing that looks like crap and doesn't even fit the car and think that they're all race car drivers.



My Uncle's 68 SS chevelle only has room for 5, does it not qualify now? Not every car had a front bench, although I guess someone could double up on a seat, or if you find them annoying put them in the trunk(as long as you remember to let them out).

Well, the Chevelle had a small trunk, but you could fit 4 adults in the back seat assuming buckets in front, and add a rat engine,,you have yourself a Muscle car

 

[SVORay]

Ditto,
A real muscle car has seating room for at least six people and some belongings, not including the huge trunk, and a power plant that easily
torques the entire chassis without a groan, and gets no more than about 3 mpg under wide-ass-open throttle, and commands respect while sitting still.

just my personal opinion of a true muscle car



Jeep

Oh man, trucks not included

My truck only holds four but can be made to hold five. It's not the fastest but it does 14.9 with 345rwhp and 449 ft torque. She'll throw you back some and give mustangs hell. It's cheaper to mod her out to 500hp than to buy a new Revo She gets a tab bit better mpg...12/14 in town and 16-19 hwy.

Ray

 

[Candyman]

I have a question for you guys do you think that the new 2005 or 2006 charger is american muscle? what about the new chevy cobalt? or that saturan ion redline? Or would you guys consider those little 4 bangs a tuner car?

IMHO, there is little left out there that can be called "muscle". The only American cars I see nowadays that I'd even remotely consider using the term "muscle" for are the new Ford Mustang, Chevy Corvette and Dodge Viper.
Neons, Cobalts and the likes are simply American versions of import tuners. They all get the same BS treatment. Fart can. Wing and body kit. CAI. Turbo and ignition tweak. Yawn. Sure some can be fast. But there's really no allure like the old GTO's and Chargers and 'Cudas and Camaros.

 

[SMaxxin]

Oh man, trucks not included

My truck only holds four but can be made to hold five. It's not the fastest but it does 14.9 with 345rwhp and 449 ft torque. She'll throw you back some and give mustangs hell. It's cheaper to mod her out to 500hp than to buy a new Revo She gets a tab bit better mpg...12/14 in town and 16-19 hwy.

Ray

Sorry bro but it's a car thing. My truck is petty fast sense I hooked it up with a programmer. I don't know the top speed or how fast it is in the 1/4 but a stock Mustang GT won't catch it until I'm well over 100.

Candyman well said.

 

[SVORay]

Neons, Cobalts and the likes are simply American versions of import tuners. They all get the same BS treatment. Fart can. Wing and body kit. CAI. Turbo and ignition tweak. Yawn.

I'm not limiting this BS treatment to any one car because of it's small displacement. I extend this treatment to anyone installing crap to make their rides look fast only to slow it down from to much dead weight. I also at the same time extend this BS treatment to those doing things like Fly byes and dangrous stuff that has or will cause injury to others. This is more focused at those street racing during rush hours instead of a closed deserted hwy at night where the only ones to get hurt, are those envovled. I've seen demestic drivers doing all of the above in anything from stangs to Vettes.

 

[Candyman]

That lends to driver responsibility then. And the trend seems to be moving away from that. Guys get their high-horsepower rides which can include many tuners and regular muscle and think they're going to go tear up the roads. Certainly lame ass movies like F&F glorify that. But then again, street racing has been around for a long time. They way I see it, the bigger the engine, the bigger the butthead behind the wheel. That's not an absolute, but it's pretty close. I'm always seeing guys with little dicks and big egos trying to do 90 down the highway in rush hour traffic. Then you get the guy who bought a 1985 Civic and put a fart can on it trying to do the same thing. I'm sure he has the gas pedal pushed through the firewall going down hill just to keep up, though. And has anyone else noticed that 20 year old women in Grand Am's seem to have the same pissy attitude?