Going to throw my buggy off a cliff!!

[godale03]

hey guys you can go to RCRacezone.com and click on the Dougs Raceway link and you can see a pic of the little short track that I someday will dominate.... if I can ever get that damn mill to start!!!! sorry got to throw that record away... I think its broken! :hammer:

 

[Revo Rancher]

It must be some motors over others that do this. My RS4-3 SS 12 mill was nowhere near lean enough to run according to the factory break-in settings. I had half a cup of black snot come out of the pipe after two tanks of sittting still break in. Took me two nights to find the right combo just to get it up the street, just far enough away for it to stall and make me go get it. Once I nailed, though, I nailed it. Patience, grasshopper. Each motor has been different for me to break-in and tune except the 2.5R in my Revo and T-Maxx. Nailed those each time by following the Traxxas break in to the "T". (and by putting the Revo style head on the T-Maxx 2.5 before break-in)

The Hyper 7 PCR mill was also a real PITA. In fact, I have not even started it since the weather changed to warm out here, so who knows if that is anywhere near tune.

The V-Spec I bought for the TT S3 should be interesting after reading all of your comments, guys.

 

[godale03]

Revo, How much off of factory did you have to go? Tell me about the black snot... I must have poured an entire tank of fule out of that pipe by now and I have not even gotten one true full tank out of it....Frustrating as all get out!

 

[mikeburgin]

....I actually like the way it responds much better than the RB-z.....i think that mill is a waste o cash.....the V-spec is unreal....slow

Plaid think you might want to look up what motor won the worlds before you call it a waist of cash
as far as easy tuning goes the rb ws7ii is the easiest motor I've ever had to tune
2 needle, and holds its tune well, normally its the low end motors that are not that easy to tune, mainly because there cheap for a reason, tolerances etc arent that exact like on the top motors, i do agrre with you on the 2 much power side of life, and if you actually read my threads i recomend v-spec, nova 421b, rbs, collari, just because there a handful on the track doesn't meant there a hanfull to tune.

I think every engine out there has someone that will say something bad about it, hard to tune etc, heres a recent one on the rg.......
trimmed out the radio made sure all was working, and that I had approx. .5 a mil of opening in the carb. I filled the tank, primed the motor. Then hooked on the glow starter and postioned the car on the starter box. Gave it a spin and nothing. The dang thing would not start. I tried a few more times and then figured I had flooded the motor, which I had, because nitro was pouring out of the JP1. So I pulled the plug, cleared the head, and figured I would check the plug to make sure I was getting heat, sure enough I was glowing bright orange. I contiued this until I had used about a quarter tank of fuel. Figured the stupid thing would not start so I gave up since I was out of time. I needed to paint the living room.

So after that i figured I would try again. I set the motor to the settings in the OS manual ( which I had done before) HSN Three turns from closed. Didn't touch the LSN. Tried again. The thing cranked over, I thought I was gong to die. So I let it run a few minutes with its wheels off the ground for short runs like the manual said. Leaving the glow starter attached. Then about the end of the first tank, I put the car on the ground and tried to run in circles at low speed. The motor stalled and I was never able to get it started again. When it was running off the ground the wheels would spin for a second, but after a sec they would slow and the buggy would idle without the wheels spining. Now when I restarted ( Which I had no problems the first tank of fuel) it idled high and the wheels would spin rather quickly but it idled down after a few seconds. I checked the plug during the second tank and I was still glowing but all I got was nitro out the pipe. I said to myself what the ***K! I never got it started again. I am so freaking frustrated! I just wanted to run the bug over with the truck. I never had this kind of problems with my TMaxx. I had problems tuning, but never had problems running. Am I doing soemthing wrong? Or do I have a bad motor? Or worse yet did I kill the motor?

 

[Revo Rancher]

For that little .12 motor, I had to go about 1 1/2 in on the LSN and 2 in on the HSN. This is after running 4 tanks on the bench. Once I was able to do lazy eights I kept checking the temps and each time it hit over 240 I richened it an 1/8th turn on both until the temps stabilized. By this time it was taking throttle at all ranges. Never seen an engine like that before. Kept thinking it was the glow plug, even put a new one in after pulling on the cord start for 20 minutes, but I later found out that was not it as I figured it must be too rich..

TRX motors and OFNA Hyper 7 ran pretty well at factory break-in settings. Only had to do minor adjustments after 6-8 tanks on those motors.

 

[Plaidfish]

mike that was a typo I meant the OS RZ-b..LOL...I don't think the RB is a waste of money I just wouldn't recomend it to a beginer.....I actually have somewhat of a clue as to how to wrench these things.....If I don't get the V-spec down the road it will be th RB...the more I see them run the more I like em...more of a tame low end that's not wild and overpowered.....I have to see how my driving style develops...right now I'm using a lot on the bottom just to keep up if I can be more smooth and consistent I'll probably end up in the RB realm......and don't turn my comments into personal attacks on you man that is not how I'm meaning them to come out.....

 

[mikeburgin]

mike that was a typo I meant the OS RZ-b..LOL...I don't think the RB is a waste of money I just wouldn't recomend it to a beginer.....I actually have somewhat of a clue as to how to wrench these things.....If I don't get the V-spec down the road it will be th RB...the more I see them run the more I like em...more of a tame low end that's not wild and overpowered.....I have to see how my driving style develops...right now I'm using a lot on the bottom just to keep up if I can be more smooth and consistent I'll probably end up in the RB realm......and don't turn my comments into personal attacks on you man that is not how I'm meaning them to come out.....

personel attacks, is that what it was, why you DOH
LOL
no I know your just putting your point across and fare enough, like wise nothing meant as a personel attack, not on you anyway, maybe the rg LOL

 

[godale03]

Plaid think you might want to look up what motor won the worlds before you call it a waist of cash
as far as easy tuning goes the rb ws7ii is the easiest motor I've ever had to tune
2 needle, and holds its tune well, normally its the low end motors that are not that easy to tune, mainly because there cheap for a reason, tolerances etc arent that exact like on the top motors, i do agrre with you on the 2 much power side of life, and if you actually read my threads i recomend v-spec, nova 421b, rbs, collari, just because there a handful on the track doesn't meant there a hanfull to tune.

I think every engine out there has someone that will say something bad about it, hard to tune etc, heres a recent one on the rg.......

Now Mike,

I wouldn't call what I wrote a negative against the RG. At least I didn't mean it that way. I am just a frustrated noob that was looking for little help. Thats all. I did alot of research on mills in the same category (Price, specs, and so on) and it came to the top of my list. Also I am very familiar with OS plane motors so I figured it was a trustworthy and solid mill. I don't think I am wrong about the mill, I am just not very good at tuning one yet. I am sure I would be having the same problems with any big block right now. The VSpec is a great mill I am sure, you guys rave about it. I just couldn't see spending almost $300 for my first attempt at a buggy. Most of my posts at least to this point I hope have not come off negative. I am to new at this hobby to know any better. That is why I ask you guys so many questions. Hopefully I might learn from your experiences and won't make the same mistakes.. I will make a whole new set of my own. Which hopefully I will be able to pass along as you guys have so gererously done for me.

 

[Plaidfish]

WOW I want to have a big group hug now but my co-workers would look at me funny if I had my arms wrapped around my monitor.......

 

[godale03]

WOW I want to have a big group hug now but my co-workers would look at me funny if I had my arms wrapped around my monitor.......

Dude that totally sounds like a " Full House" moment! I didn't realize until I re read it after your comment....

I did hug my monitor once while no one was looking....

 

[Plaidfish]

LMAO.....






so did I

 

[mikeburgin]

Now Mike,

I wouldn't call what I wrote a negative against the RG. At least I didn't mean it that way. I am just a frustrated noob that was looking for little help. Thats all. I did alot of research on mills in the same category (Price, specs, and so on) and it came to the top of my list. Also I am very familiar with OS plane motors so I figured it was a trustworthy and solid mill. I don't think I am wrong about the mill, I am just not very good at tuning one yet. I am sure I would be having the same problems with any big block right now. The VSpec is a great mill I am sure, you guys rave about it. I just couldn't see spending almost $300 for my first attempt at a buggy. Most of my posts at least to this point I hope have not come off negative. I am to new at this hobby to know any better. That is why I ask you guys so many questions. Hopefully I might learn from your experiences and won't make the same mistakes.. I will make a whole new set of my own. Which hopefully I will be able to pass along as you guys have so gererously done for me.

NONONONONONO thats not what i meant at all, i was using your post as an exsample that even rgs can be a pig to tune, specially when your turning the needle "quater of a mile at a time"

 

[Plaidfish]

LOL....1/4 mile.... Fugit just open em all up and give er the juice.....she'll open up like a 2dallah WH#@E

 

[godale03]

NONONONONONO thats not what i meant at all, i was using your post as an exsample that even rgs can be a pig to tune, specially when your turning the needle "quater of a mile at a time"

Mike you know that is what it feels like! You hit the nail on the head! :hammer:

I have always read you make small adjustments and they make a big difference. Well I am making enough small adjustments that it seems I have turned the damn thing a mile. I put everything to factory and started my adjusting again. I must have turned the HSN 1.5 turns, and the LSN like 3 hours and I am still pouring nitro out of the pipe! I don't know what else to do. This is very frustrating. :shrug:

 

[godale03]

LOL....1/4 mile.... Fugit just open em all up and give er the juice.....she'll open up like a 2dallah WH#@E

Thats what I'm saying..... drive the Bi atch like you stole it!

 

[Revo Rancher]

I would try leaning the HSN a little more. Sounds like too much fuel in total going into the motor. How is your blue smoke doing when you get it rolling? Fairly consistent? How about temps as you leaned it? If it all points to better and better performance by the numbers, then keep going that direction. Once you hit no smoke, high temps or stalling, and the "snot" stops, then richen the HSN 1/8th. Should be perfect by then.

 

[Plaidfish]

don't try and make an adjustment until you've gotten it up to temp and don't do them to close to each other it takes about 1-2mins to see what the full effect is from you're adjustment....you have to give each adjustment time to respond before thinking it needs more/less fuel.......patience is the key.....to more than just RC.....hahaha.....a rhyme......

 

[Revo Rancher]

Plaid was typing while I was. He makes a good point, just watch the car for a few passes and throttle changes to see if the changes took effect. If none, go more. If they did judge your next move by what they did. If it got hotter and you lost smoke, you are too lean. If it still blows snot and stalls, you are too rich. Hard to tell without being there.

Might be that the motor still has not got hot enough to "seat" or fit the piston to the cylinder. Once it does that a lot of problems seem to disappear.

 

[godale03]

don't try and make an adjustment until you've gotten it up to temp and don't do them to close to each other it takes about 1-2mins to see what the full effect is from you're adjustment....you have to give each adjustment time to respond before thinking it needs more/less fuel.......patience is the key.....to more than just RC.....hahaha.....a rhyme......

Crisco Head the poet! :jk:

I can't hardly get the damn thing started. I am back at factory and I am going to start all over again.... again.

I can't get the thing up to temp because it doesn't stay running or I can get it to turn at all. When it does run my temps are only like 140 so I am not even close to getting hot enough. As far as the smoke goes... there is so much nitro flying out of the pipe, that I can see the smoke for the spittle!

hee hee I said Spittle..

 

[godale03]

also one more thing guys.. I haven't gotten to the point where I can put a load on it without it stalling imediately.