Going to throw my buggy off a cliff!!

[Plaidfish]

well like said earlier in this thread...you might have to hold it up and give it some quick throttle blips to clear the snot out...I'd lean ou tthe LSN about an 1/8th of a turn first and then clear it out it's hard to tell what your doing if it's already loaded up w/ gunk....just remember don't hold the throttle like that just do some quick blips like 1 second at a time....if it stalls as you blip it then lean the HSN 1/4 from factory as well...it sounds like you need to clear the snot out of your rig before you can go any further.....if you tilt the car w/ the pipe side down does more "snot" pour out???

 

[Plaidfish]

if it's that rick I'm surprised you havent fouled your plug yet......what plug are you using too....is it the one the mill came with?

 

[godale03]

well like said earlier in this thread...you might have to hold it up and give it some quick throttle blips to clear the snot out...I'd lean ou tthe LSN about an 1/8th of a turn first and then clear it out it's hard to tell what your doing if it's already loaded up w/ gunk....just remember don't hold the throttle like that just do some quick blips like 1 second at a time....if it stalls as you blip it then lean the HSN 1/4 from factory as well...it sounds like you need to clear the snot out of your rig before you can go any further.....if you tilt the car w/ the pipe side down does more "snot" pour out???

Yup... sure does... a nice black stream of NCNitro.... Sorry NC I couldn't resist!! :jk:

 

[godale03]

if it's that rick I'm surprised you havent fouled your plug yet......what plug are you using too....is it the one the mill came with?

I am using OS 8's I don't think I have fouled the plug it is still glowing.. but then again I am not sure what I fouled plug looks like per sey.... I have replaced the original plug that came with it though. I learned that from the TMaxx.

 

[Plaidfish]

if it's that much then you are WAY to Rich on the LSN dude.......try 1/2 turn out from factory settings on the LSN...I know the last 2 I had were about 3/4 turn leaner than stock when I finally got it to run right but I'm in a different climate and I didn't get it all gummy before I leaned it out....you got to clear that nitro out or you'll never get going....I would think being in Maryland this time of year you'd run richer than I need to....the colder air is more dense.....but I could be wrong about that...wouldn't be the first time....

 

[godale03]

That is just the thing plaid... I know what the factory settings are for the HSN for that particular OS mill, but I do not know the factory settings for the LSN. The manual gives the HSN, but I guess they figure the LSN is set and does not need to be touched. I am going to hopefully get some time to work with the thing this weekend. It is my Girlfriends Bday so I have to be very careful how I approach this subject.

I checked to OS website and I couldn't fine the factory settings for the LSN. Do you know anywhere else I may be able to look? I am hoping to have you some more info on how the break in is going sometime this weekend. I know it seems as if we are going in circles but each time you post you give me just a little bit more info to go on and I really appreciate that. I will get this... I just hope I haven't ruined the mill...

Tom

 

[Plaidfish]

I'd set it flush w/ the case around it and go in 1 to 2 turns...that a decent benchmark to go by.....did you buy it from an LHS? if so you might want to see if they can help get it started...bring all your starting gear (fully charged) and see what they can do....it is much easier to do this when I can see the results each time....I give much props to Rolex (he's still a dork) for being able to trouble shoot engines over the internet....but we'll get you through this.....one day it will be like a big friggin light bulb goin off in your head as to what the problem is.....I wish my light would stop shorting out on me though....

 

[Rolex]

I just read, in post #59, that your temp is only 140. Not good.
Set it up on something with the wheels off the ground, so you can run a tank just for heat cycling.
Start it and let it run for a minute, then lean the HSN 1/2 turn, and the LSN about a quarter turn in.
Let it run for another minute or two, and check temps again. Try to blip the snot out again. You might have bring up the trim to keep it running. If the wheels turn, that's fine, but you don't want high RPMs. Lean the LSN about 1/16 at a time, and let it run for a minute after each adjustment and check the temp again. You want it to get to 200 or better. Remember to bring the flywheel to BDC whenever it shuts off, and let it cool completely before restarting it.
Post the temps so I know what it needs next.

 

[godale03]

I'd set it flush w/ the case around it and go in 1 to 2 turns...that a decent benchmark to go by.....did you buy it from an LHS? if so you might want to see if they can help get it started...bring all your starting gear (fully charged) and see what they can do....it is much easier to do this when I can see the results each time....I give much props to Rolex (he's still a dork) for being able to trouble shoot engines over the internet....but we'll get you through this.....one day it will be like a big friggin light bulb goin off in your head as to what the problem is.....I wish my light would stop shorting out on me though....

At least you have a light bulb... I am still trying to rub two sticks toghether :hammer:

You know I think I might take it to my LHS. I did purchase it from there, and as a matter of fact, I will be there tomorrow morning to help get the track rebuilt.... totally redesigned... can't wait to see how it turns out. I figure while I am there I can get them to look at it. Thanks again for all the help.. I do sleep better at night knowing that I am not alone... I have a hole group of friends out there... somewhere... and I don't know there names.... or what they look like... but friends none the less.... .....Sorry just trying to be funny. Thank you.

Tom

 

[godale03]

I just read, in post #59, that your temp is only 140. Not good.
Set it up on something with the wheels off the ground, so you can run a tank just for heat cycling.
Start it and let it run for a minute, then lean the HSN 1/2 turn, and the LSN about a quarter turn in.
Let it run for another minute or two, and check temps again. Try to blip the snot out again. You might have bring up the trim to keep it running. If the wheels turn, that's fine, but you don't want high RPMs. Lean the LSN about 1/16 at a time, and let it run for a minute after each adjustment and check the temp again. You want it to get to 200 or better. Remember to bring the flywheel to BDC whenever it shuts off, and let it cool completely before restarting it.
Post the temps so I know what it needs next.

Cool thanks Rolex... One question... before I make the adjustments do I shut the mill off, go to bottom dead center, let it cool, then make the adjustments and start it up or just let it run and then let it cool after the first tank? Sorry if it is a stupid question, but I just want to make double sure I am doing this right. Plaid gave me the factory settings for the LSN in his latest post. Thanks again guys.

Tom

 

[Rolex]

I get it to temp, then I adjust the needles so I can see and hear what the engine does as the tuning changes.
If the engine quits once it's warmed up, I let it cool down at BDC before I restart.
A lot of engines go through a very stubborn period while breaking in, or just after the break in, and some are very well behaved.
Just be patient during this period. It will pay off in the long run.

 

[godale03]

Hey Plaid, Rolex, and crew,

I am hoping to be able to get back to breaking in the RG X this Friday if the weather holds. I have not had much time this week between working the 9 to 5 and then going to school at night. I know I know, IT isn't real work, at least that's what my father says anyway. Then this past weekend was my girlfriend's bday and you know I couldn't do it then. Hey... we did finish our track though. Brand new design! If you want to check it out we have pics up at www.rcracezone.com I am not promoting anything, it just has pics up on the site of our hard work. It's not a huge track but we worked hard and I can't wait to start tearing it up! Which gives me a little sense of urgency to get my bug going. I will post temps and let you know how it is going as long as it stays dry. Right now it is a 50 50 chance of rain.... damnit! oh well.


By the way... I asked my girls father about the whole wanting to marry his daughter thing... not so bad. I was a bit worried however, he was working on a roto tiller when I talked to him.

See ya guys.

Tom

 

[Plaidfish]

Nice track that table looks steep...anyone try it yet?

 

[godale03]

Yeah, a couple of guys brought to electric losi ST's and gave it a quick run, no Nitros that I know of yet. This weekend is looking to be a wash so I don't think we will get a chance just yet.

The track came together nicely though. A complete re design from the ground up. I agree with you about the table top though. I was trying to talk the head man into burring it a bit but he thinks it will work ok. The way we are comming at it (Clockwise) we have alot of room but if you hit that thing to hard you will end up on the roof or worse... bouncing off the brick wall. There is a section of woops just before it so we should be slowed down a bit, of course lining it up might be a bit tricky. The top is made out of angle iron and tin sheeting covered in dirt, so unless we had a torch would not be able to cut it down. We shall see...

Tom

 

[Revo Rancher]

I was a bit worried however, he was working on a roto tiller when I talked to him.

Still got all your fingers and toes?!?!

 

[godale03]

Still got all your fingers and toes?!?!

Better that that, I am not fertalizer right now!

 

[godale03]

Hey Plaid, and Rolex,

I was able to get a few tanks more toward the break in of my OS RG X on my XTerm Pro this weekend. The first tank I ran, it ran ok, I just let it run with its wheels off the ground at an idle. The wheels were not spining. I monitored the temps through the first tank and the highest it got was like 125. I put the pistion back at BDC. On the second tank I leaned the HSN like 30 degrees and ran another tank through it. This time the temps were a bit higher, but only in the 150's. I was still getting alot of snot comming out of the pipe and I couldn't even think about hitting the throttle any. If I even thought about hitting the throttle it would immediately cut out. So on the last tank before the rain came I leaned the LSN out about a half a turn and the HSN another 30 degrees in. This time it idled a bit higher and this time I sat the bug on the ground because the wheels would spin a bit while the bug was off the ground. So I figured I should put a load under it. This time the temps were about 225 so I knew I was getting closer to where I needed to be. I know that leaning the LSN a half turn all at once is a huge move, but I was getting way to much crap out of the pipe. With the last adjustment I was also getting more smoke out of the pipe so I knew I was burning more nitro which was good. The last half of the tank the bug started to lurch forward so I tried just making the bug do some lazy 8's and it did just fine. I didn't give it any throttle just letting the high idle do the trick . I know I will have to adjust the idle but for now it was ok. In fact I got a little wide on one of my 8's and ran off the driveway a bit and in order to get back on the driveway I had to get over the little hump of asphalt, so I hit the throttle slightly and it didn't cut out, in fact it jumped up on the driveway nicely. Then the rains came so I let it run out of fuel and brought it in just before the down pour! My temps were in the low 230's. Am I on the right track guys? I put the mill back to BDC and cleaned her up, added the after run oil, and put it away. Hopefully I am on the right track. I hope to race in two weeks. So far I have run like 4 full tanks through it. Thanks again for all of your help guys.

Tom

 

[Plaidfish]

Sounds like your getting it...I'd richen it up a little to bring temps down though...if you're hitting 230 at idle you will be running it hot when you start to punch it.....I got a new RG last week and a friend is going to break it in on a stand....he does the wide open throttle breakin and his mills last a LONG time...he got about 15 gallons through his P5 before he pinched it...then got another 4 gallons after that.....if this one last me longer than 5 gallons I'll have to look at making a breakin stand.....I also found out my fantom .27 is loosing it's pinch so I'm having the same friend give it good pinch for me......I have the worst luck w/ engines lately.....2 mills in 3 weeks died on me...the fantom had less than a gallon in it and it only got heated once to 290....this blows chunks...I guess I wasn't pulling the piston down when I was breaking it in....I dunno..that engine was still temping at 255-260 when it ran dry...but after about 1 quart I couldn't keep it running and and I had the LSN almost completely leaned out.....so I figured I'd better shut down for the day before I totally killed another mill.......

 

[Rolex]

It's sounding pretty good, godale03. Don't be afraid to lower the idle screw to where the car won't creep. Good to hear it's coming around.

 

[godale03]

Plaid, and Rolex,

So you guys think I need to richen the LSN a bit? I was doing lazy 8's and the temps were at or near 230. I leaned it a half a turn. Should I richen it with the HSN or take the LSN just a bit richer, maybe quarter turn out? Just want to make sure. I was just stoked that I actually got it to run for more than 30 seconds! That and I think I actually burned more nitro than poured it out of the pipe! Thanks again guys.

Tom