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Cops...........WHY???????

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the 2 trucks post look really nice. the cops here are good for nothing. they are never here when you need them. but when nothing is wrong you see like 6 of them wandering the streets. no offence to any cops (if any are here) but i really dont like them. one day a cop triied to take my nitro mt saying it wasn't street legal.
 
Wow, I've had some real winner cop attitudes before too...like truth said best to just sayyes sir and feed his ego then see what you can do.....

Nubster, I can see your point on on the tint....I've heard that before here in FL......but I seem to have the wonderful luck of getting pulled over for nonsense too and getting flak right off th ebat....I'm very well spoken, I have a decent job and am a respectable member in my community.....what I don't understand is this.....I'm driving my truck (ranger) in a nice neighborhood, it's not a beater by any means....clean, runs good and no funky noises.....just lowered 3" not draggin the ground...no chrome crap.....but I'll get stopped and they 'll tell me it's for the truck being low or whatever else...one said my front lights were not legal (they were).....anyway I get poop from the get go.....I've had officers approach my car w/ guns drawn....one flipped out and threw me down when he saw a clip from a 9mm.....no gun just the clip.......my point is this...do you see a way to limit these instances w/o me having to conform to what society expects...meaning if I want to lower my truck and have long hair I should have every right to and not be stopped for nonsense just so my name can be run through...and BTW I had to argue w/ the police about a tatoo on my wrist...they wanted to put me in a gang file too...I mean C'mon what is that crap.....I'm a fairly big boy but I don't present myself in a threatening manner....EVER.....Oh and my favorite....I was placed in county felony section for a traffic violation...I asked WTF am I going in there for...they said I was a heavy weight and could hurt the others.....OH THAT WAS FUCKIN FAIR!!!....I'm not saying you or all cops are bad, mean annoyed whatever....what can I/We do to put an officer at ease when they approach me....I mean is there like a secret pass word you guys have that turns of the Suck attitude when they're in that mode.......and again I am not picking on all police I just seem to get the poopy ones looking to bust someone cause they "look" like they can cause trouble.....and I understand the reason you need to approach a situation w/ a certain alertness or suspiscion...but how long do you feel it necessary to continue that mode after you've stopped someone??....am I just fiddlesticked because i'm a bigger guy than alot of people are????
 
one of my friends told me when he gets stoped he just puts both hands out the window. the cops normaly walk up and there like "wtf" " you just get out or something" and hes like " no sir, i just know you have a stressfull job and I'm just trying to make it easyer on you.

basicaly he shows them he isnt out to do any harm befor they even get to the truck. and he says this seems to put them in a better mood and they arent so much of a prick..
 
plaidfish the secret pass word is "hold on let me call my lawyer" in my old school a kid i new had a business card of his lawyer in his wallet when ever the cops gave him problems over some nonsence he would pull it out and the cops would say "ill let you go this time but next time you wont be so lucky".
 
danny that lawyer card/I'll call my laywer is bullshit. I wouldn't let that interfere with me in anyway, if anything I would push harder! Plaid I can understand your point, but I would have acted the same way if I saw the magazine. If there is a magazine there is usually a firearm somewhere. I guess all I can say is when you get pulled over put your hands on the steering wheel 10&2 and relax.
 
dannyd said:
plaidfish the secret pass word is "hold on let me call my lawyer" in my old school a kid i new had a business card of his lawyer in his wallet when ever the cops gave him problems over some nonsence he would pull it out and the cops would say "ill let you go this time but next time you wont be so lucky".

I'll laugh at your ass and then get the attitude that will ruin your day. That is the last thing you want to do is pull some kinda lawyer BS on me. Lawyers are really no threat to me and I don't have much respect for them. I dare say that I speak for the majority of LE when I say that too.

As far as what to do, roll you window down....ALL THE WAY....put your hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel and wait for the officer to get to you. Don't ask why you were pulled over, in fact don't say anything until your spoken to. Not being an ass or power trippin' when I say that, just the best thing to do until you can feel the situation out alittle. Act like your in a cheerful mood and be respectful to the officer. If the officer seems cool, then you can joke alittle or engage in conversation. If he acts like he is in a bad mood or is just being a prick, do what your told and keep comments to a minimum and don't give any attitude because it isn't going to help, might make things worse. If you want to dispute something, do it in court, not to the officer. Your likely not to win on the street. Make sure you have you seatbelt on too and don't take it off to get into your glovebox unless you do it in front of the officer. Make all movements slow and deliberate and most important......NO ATTITUDE. It will only make things worse.

I am a cop now, but there was a time in my life that I had an attitude towards cops. I skated, looked the part, drove and Mazda p/u with about 1" ground clearance and had a window shaking system in it to boot. Think I never got harrassed by the cops? I can't count the times I have been. No matter how well you play by the rules, your gonna get the cop with something to prove and nothing you do will make it better. Most cops I personally know are decent guys just doing a job and we aren't out to harrass people that don't deserve it. I can only apologize for the actions of afew that make the majority look bad. Most of us aren't like that. The bad thing is, you can have contact with 10 good cops and 1 bad and it the the later that will always stick out in your mind.
 
man the tickets i use to get with this thing ..
some of you guys in Tx might have seen it . i bought it from a guy there...
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wow...i actually think i have seen that in Austin at a show...small world...

my experience is that if you do what Nubster says, the experience is normally going to be pleasant (except for the ticket, of course). i would also add that if any of you are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, you BETTER keep your hands visible and let them know if you're carrying. i will actually kind of yell out the window to tell them BEFORE they get right beside me. the most common reaction is "well just don't pull it out please". i don't know if it's coincidence or not but i have yet to get a single ticket this way. they are usually so appreciative of me letting them know everything, they just don't feel like giving me a ticket or something. i just know what i would want someone to do for me and i do that. one guy even waves at me and stops to say hi all the time now.
 
You know what works, tell the cop "my dad is your boss" but I guess that only works when it's true, don't use that. :opps: Let's see son of a cop and an only child, two strikes right there for me! I've got 16% on my windows on my bimmer, it's bad at night I have to put the windows down so I can see backing up!
 
truthseeker said:
i would also add that if any of you are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, you BETTER keep your hands visible and let them know if you're carrying.

Good advice. But don't be suprised if you are asked to get out of the vehicle and have your gun held until the traffic stop is over. Nothing personal, but again, it is an F'ed up world out there and I intend on going home at the end of my shift.
 
well beason my truck isnt little up here i have one of the biggest trucks in my area and up here your truck has to be 38 inches from the lowest part of your frame and your allowed 5% on the back window but then only 30% on the sides and thats what i have so i am legal that way and for the tires they stick out a bit but up here they have to stick out 3inches or more for them to be elegal so I'm good there and for the exhaust it has flowmaster 40s and no cats with manifolds so it isnt loud unless i have my foot to the floor then it loud, and there is some trucks up here that are way louder then mine and they dont get botherd at all. i guess it just wasn't my day so i wont hold nothing against him for it unless he messes with me again then its lawyer time. I'm not saying i dont like cops cuz i have 6 cop friends that i grew up with in school so i know when i can get away with things and when i can't but i was messed with for nothing. But the cheif called me today and asked me for the number for my truck so he could put it in the data base so i aint messed with for it anymore so that makes me much happier well i hope i see some more of your guys trucks i like the ones I've see so far. have fun and thanx for the replys
 
guess all I can say is when you get pulled over put your hands on the steering wheel 10&2 and relax

Exactly.

And a Bar card doesn't get you anywhere, especially if you are doing 92 mph at noon on the 91 freeway.

I always ask what they want from me, then tell them where the itmes are int he car and ask permission to get them. My wallet is usually in my suit coat pocket hanging in the back seat and the reg is in the GB. Two moves, to requests for permission to move and get them.

Also, at least in CA, where a CCW is VERY hard to get, make sure any loose ammo, magazines, clips and guns are in your trunk, locked. If it is a long gun it can be the passenger compartment but it must be in a locked case. No gun racks here!
 
From m y experiance the tire sticking out issue all depends on where they want to measure from. I was told in Wisconsin that my 34x12.50 tires on my 03 HD Chevy stuck out too far and they only stuck out about 2 inch from the end of tread but when I actualy measured them they stick out like 5 or 6 inches. Most places will measure from the widest point of the tire which is the sidewall and the furthest inboard point on the side of the body. I have had no issues with window tint at all and I am 35 percent on my front 2 side windows and I am 5 percent on my rear window and my 2 rear dies windows. I also have a doctors slip stating that I need the windows that dark because my eyes are sensitive to light.
 
Revo Rancher said:
Also, at least in CA, where a CCW is VERY hard to get, make sure any loose ammo, magazines, clips and guns are in your trunk, locked. If it is a long gun it can be the passenger compartment but it must be in a locked case. No gun racks here!

dunno if my incident sparked this but mine was in the enclosed center console next to my CDs....
 
Last time I was pulled over was 47 in a 35.
When the guy got up to my window, my seat belt was off and I was fumbling through the center console looking for registration and insurance papers.
He never said anything. After I started thing about it, was pretty stupid for both of us. Me for going through the center console while he was walking up to the truck. And him for not drawing his gun on me because I was.
I'll try not to do that again. But I'm always pretty nervous when I get pulled over. Don't know why, not doing anything.

Not to derail the thread, but you are on the subject anyway.....
How do most of you carry your guns to the range when you don't have a concealed carry permit?
I try to keep mine in a holster, unloaded and in plain view. Shells will be in a different spot in the vehicle. Should I do it different?
No trunk. Most of the time it's in a truck.
 
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digger said:
Not to derail the thread, but you are on the subject anyway.....
How do most of you carry your guns to the range when you don't have a concealed carry permit?
I try to keep mine in a holster, unloaded and in plain view. Shells will be in a different stop in the vehicle. Should I do it different?
No trunk. Most of the time it's in a truck.

I put mine on the seat of my truck. Here in LA we can carry a firearm (short or long) in a vehicle as long as it's not concealed and unloaded. The funny thing is when you enter a wildlife management area your gun must be in a locked gun case and unloaded.
 
Most states have laws about bumper height, tints on side windows, tires past the wheel wells, loud exhaust, loud stereos, but in general I've found that most cops will not bother you unless A) you are doing sumthing to rouse suspicion...being a dink peeling out, loud music, racing along the street, generally geeking off. B) there is something blaringly wrong with your vehicle C) they are very bored. Regrettably, being a cop can be very very boring at times. So, to keep themselves busy they "look" for potential issues. In a big city, most cops done have time to worry about "Are your tires sticking 3" too far out or 2" like the law allows" So, alot of city people get away with a lot more simply because the cops are busy. But once you go into the more rural areas things are different. Then you come to NJ and you can't get away with anything. Especially if your stopped by a Trooper. They are generally very courteous, but you get NO leeway with them. (in my experience)

I've had some very bad experiences (having my side window smashed, pulled out through the window, slammed to the ground, handcuffed, and manhandled very roughly...cuts, black eye, sprained wrist, bruised ribs... while surrounded by 4-5 cars at gun point) ...case of mistaken identity in case you guys r wondering... and I've had some great experiences (Cops and EMT rushing into my mothers house to help me get her out of bed onto a stretcher, down the stairs, then escort us to the hospital because she was having a heart attack) so it goes both ways.

What can you do to limit your risks for being dicked with? As others have said, stop the engine, keys on the dash, hands on the steering wheel, music off, all windows down (I dont care how cold it is), stay quiet unles spoken to, you tell the wife, girlfriend, chick, whatever before the cop gets to the window to shut the fiddlesticks up and not say a god damned word until its over or you will beat the poop out of her - just joking, but make sure they are quiet too - Do not smoke, do not drink soda, water, anything, if they ask to search the vehicle make sure you tell them up front if there is a gun in the cabin and exactly where it is and whether it is loaded or not. If it is in the trunk you dont "have" to mention it unless they ask to search that too. And for gods sake swallow the roach in your ashtray and dont let them find shakings on the floor dammit, thats just wasteful. Roll it in the house where your supposed to!

Finally, In NJ all fire arms must be LOCKED (as in with key or combination lock) in a CASE (soft or hard doesn't matter... felt bag = no) in the tunk or rear of the vehicle if the vehicle doesn have a trunk (Jeep Wrangler). Ammunition must not occupy the same space as the firearm unless it is also LOCKED in a SEPERATE case. Firearms cannot be loaded under any circumstances. Firearms can only be transported from your place of residence to the place you intend to use them (target range, hunting grounds, etc) You can actually get a ticket if your found say with your handgun in its locked case on your way to work cause your going to the range after work. I only know this because I got one. Fun Fact: In NJ, a state of over 8 million residents, there are only a little over 3000 CCW permits and most are held by retired LE.

You can see your CCW and state firearems laws here:
http://www.packing.org/state/
 
^^what he said! don't believe anything you hear about gun laws. go to that site and see for yourself. that also reminds me...if you are driving around and doing something that is legal on a technicality or a loophole, but would appear illegal at first glance....don't be surprised if the first glance you get is from a cop...and best not to rub it in their face when you get stopped. "nyah nyah i know some obscure law that yooooooouu don't!!" never goes over well, from what i've seen...
 
truthseeker said:
and best not to rub it in their face when you get stopped. "nyah nyah i know some obscure law that yooooooouu don't!!" never goes over well, from what i've seen...

OH God that's what an ex did to a cop when she got pulled over, she thought since her pop was a high ranked officer she was like a jailhouse lawyer....something about they can only detain you for 45 mins if they are not arresting youor some legal sounding mumbo jumbo...well she spouted that one out and GUESS WHAT HE DID??? I think they have a BS charge they can just pop you for or something......it sucked because I was 15 and no DL and he checked me for one so I had to hoof it like a gajillion miles to where the buses started running back then.....
 
Plaidfish said:
OH God that's what an ex did to a cop when she got pulled over, she thought since her pop was a high ranked officer she was like a jailhouse lawyer....something about they can only detain you for 45 mins if they are not arresting youor some legal sounding mumbo jumbo...well she spouted that one out and GUESS WHAT HE DID??? I think they have a BS charge they can just pop you for or something......it sucked because I was 15 and no DL and he checked me for one so I had to hoof it like a gajillion miles to where the buses started running back then.....
Hence this statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robriguez said:
...you tell the wife, girlfriend, chick, whatever before the cop gets to the window to shut the fiddlesticks up and not say a god damned word until its over or you will beat the poop out of her - just joking, but make sure they are quiet too...
 
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