On a different forum there is a battery company that caught my eye called SMC. I purchased one of their 2s 6500mah 60c factory spec batteries at 39.99. At this time I have only put about 3 cycles through it, and so far its a great battery almost up there with my thunder power. I did alot of research before I bought one, and couldn't find any complaints except that they use Chinese deans instead of real ones. After a few months on this pack I will post an update, but I just wanted to let everyone here know they have packs cheap for practice, and also cheap roar packs. To find their site just search for smc batteries on google.