what engine for serpent 710

[nemesis20]

i just got a used 710 from 710bAby and was wondering what engine i should get. I'm still a newb to this wonderful hobby of ours so my engine tuning is not so great yet. i know this car is a little advanced for me but i got a real good price for it. i was gonig to get the tc3 team edition but i found this car for cheaper. sorry for the long post. i just thought i would explain myself before you guys recommend me a engine. i dont want to spend more then $150-$250. i will have to save up for it first ofcourse i just want to get a good idea on what to get. i tried the search engine but didnt find anything.maybe I'm using it wrong. anyway thanks in advance for the help and sorry again for the long post.

oh yeah is this an ok engine for a newb?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJFY8&P=0

 

[Diver6127]

You got yourself a well suited racer. That's the same car that he was using when racing with us. Very competative and well maintained. I have his engine (still being broken in) and sl0eg1n and i are sharing his parts lot.

That OS is a nice engine. For the extra few dollars, I'd get the RB V12 3port or IF you can find one, the Novarossi NS12S3A1 (discontinued). I used the novarossi as my main engine for a while then I switched to the Mugen X12. Both great performerswith their purposes on various tracks as well. I am now running the Max12 that I got off 710baby.

You will have a lot on your plate trying to get that car to handle according to your driving style. Be patient and give the car a true chance. Don't giveup because once it's on point, it's a killer.

 

[nemesis20]

thanks diver for the fast reponse. are the egines you recommended easy to tune? i plan on buying one of these engines by the end of this month or second week of august. I'm excited to get into onroad racing. i have been wanting to race for a long time now. i know i will have a lot on my plate trying to figure how to setup my car but i look forward to it. anyway thanks again diver for the input it is greatly apreciated.

 

[CorradoPsi]

i agree with divers recommendation, and will throw sirio into the mix as well. honestly i think that OS is overpriced for what it is. there are more powerful mills for the same or even a little less, that will last longer too. look into the sirio 3 port and 5 port engines, and either the roar or outlaw version depending on your tracks rules. novarossi's are also nice, as are the RB's. those are the brands i would stick to. visit thier manufactures pages to learn about the individual models, and to figure out what you need for your track. whether its a low end torque mill to get out of lots of corners fast, or a high rpm mill for a long flowing track.

 

[Bouzouki]

Good choice.


The OS TZ will hang with the expensive Italian mills for less.

The best bang for your buck engine by a long shot.

It has no problem keeping up with Jp's, Novas, and RBs.

Os engines are known for being very easy to tune and durable.

The TZ is nothing like the TR, its torque comes into play after 30,000 rpms unlike the TR line.

 

[Diver6127]

thanks diver for the fast reponse. are the egines you recommended easy to tune? i plan on buying one of these engines by the end of this month or second week of august. I'm excited to get into onroad racing. i have been wanting to race for a long time now. i know i will have a lot on my plate trying to figure how to setup my car but i look forward to it. anyway thanks again diver for the input it is greatly apreciated.

I found them all easy to tune. I can't really comment on the new sirio's since I don't have one (Evo3).

I would only go with the OS if you feel you're not comfortable with your tuning skills. Otherwise, patience will be your best friend with the italian based engines. There is nothing like the sound of an italian engine making it's way through the rev band. I love it!

 

[Bouzouki]

i agree with divers recommendation, and will throw sirio into the mix as well. honestly i think that OS is overpriced for what it is. there are more powerful mills for the same or even a little less, that will last longer too. look into the sirio 3 port and 5 port engines, and either the roar or outlaw version depending on your tracks rules. novarossi's are also nice, as are the RB's. those are the brands i would stick to. visit thier manufactures pages to learn about the individual models, and to figure out what you need for your track. whether its a low end torque mill to get out of lots of corners fast, or a high rpm mill for a long flowing track.

Here we go with the "OS can't compete with italian engines story."

For one, you say there are engines that will last longer?

No, the OS is known for out lasting Italian engines in the 30 min mains.

Sirio?

Their carbs suck, in .12's at least. If you get one, expect an air leak.

You can get that engine for $195 here, cheaper than the Nova's, Sirios, and RB's.

http://rc-mushroom.com/index.php?cPath=169&sort=1a&filter_id=13




the TZ 12 is not a poor Man's Nova... It's a true MONSTER on the track.

And let's not add the cost of replacing the piston and sleeves... You can pick up and extra piston/sleeve and crank for the TZ-12 3P all for less then $75.00.


I suggest you view this thread for any info you need on the OS TZ.

http://rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60521

 

[Diver6127]

Here we go with the "OS can't compete with italian engines story."

For one, you say there are engines that will last longer?

No, the OS is known for out lasting Italian engines in the 30 min mains.

Sirio?

Their carbs suck, in .12's at least. If you get one, expect an air leak.

You can get that engine for $195 here, cheaper than the Nova's, Sirios, and RB's.

http://rc-mushroom.com/index.php?cPath=169&sort=1a&filter_id=13




the TZ 12 is not a poor Man's Nova... It's a true MONSTER on the track.

Ok, this is enough already. I've been holding my mouth shut for a long time and a few members here know it already. Stop giving out information that you only know as truth BASE ON WHAT YOU READ.

He asked what is a suitable engine for his 710. I gave him the information based on what I use on my 710. As far as an os outlasting an italian engine in a 30 minute main, run one first before stating that fact. An engine will only last as long as it's not cooking itself.

Yes and OS can run the length of a main and a car equipped with an OS can win a main. It is all based on the driver. That's a commonly known fact. But you have to make it to the track to prove it first.

Anything else that I say beyond this post based on your posting will stay civil. Everything else will be private.

I just don't like the way you are giving out information and advice BASED SOLELY on what you read instead of actual user based opinion and findings.

 

[Bouzouki]

Ok, this is enough already. I've been holding my mouth shut for a long time and a few members here know it already. Stop giving out information that you only know as truth BASE ON WHAT YOU READ.

He asked what is a suitable engine for his 710. I gave him the information based on what I use on my 710. As far as an os outlasting an italian engine in a 30 minute main, run one first before stating that fact. An engine will only last as long as it's not cooking itself.

Yes and OS can run the length of a main and a car equipped with an OS can win a main. It is all based on the driver. That's a commonly known fact. But you have to make it to the track to prove it first.

Anything else that I say beyond this post based on your posting will stay civil. Everything else will be private.

I just don't like the way you are giving out information and advice BASED SOLELY on what you read instead of actual user based opinion and findings.

Ok diver, I dont give out one persons opinion.

I'm sorry, not all of us have the $$ to buy and test everything like you do.

Did you even bother looking at the thread I posted in my post.

You will see many many people agreeing with me, of course they're all wrong, right?

Everything I said is true.



* The OS for $195 is by FAR the best bang for your buck engine.

*It has no problem racing and keeping upwith Novarossi, Sirio, and RB engines.

*Parts such as P/S are a lot cheaper.

*It will out last many engines on the track.

*It is very easy to tune and it and very well built.

Ever wonder why OS owns 70% of the Nitro engine market?

This engine puts out the RPMS and the HP on the track, fact.


I dont need to test every engine to know how it performs, thats why you read up on things, so your telling me reading things is bad and we should just waste our money on what we think is good?

The people at rctech in that thread actually own the engine, and most of them say the same exact thing I just said about the engine.

So you still dont feel my information is accurate enough?

 

[Diver6127]

Never said your info wasn't correct. It's just all information you read Not what you have experienced. You're supposed to gather what you read and research and then make your own decision. That's how you got your X12 instead of the OS.

RCtech ... yeah, good source of info. Personal track time and getting to a track and seeing how as well as what they are running and tuning is another story. Get to the track first and learn your cars characteristics.

 

[Bouzouki]

If my info in correct and accurate, whats the problem?


I dont read one or two things and jump to conclusions about things.

There are over 450 posts on the OS TZ thread on rctech, that gives me more than enough info on the engine.

RCtech ... yeah, good source of info. Personal track time and getting to a track and seeing how as well as what they are running and tuning is another story. Get to the track first and learn your cars characteristics.

I dont understand what you are saying and how this has to do with anything in this thread.

 

[Diver6127]

Then switch out your X12 and run the OS.

To everyone else, sorry for derailing the thread. It will continue via pm's or aim. Nemesis, if you have any other questions feel free to ask sl0eg1n, 710baby or myself since we actually run this car in organized racing.

 

[Bouzouki]

Diver, I never said I wanted the OS or didn't like my X-12.

I was reccomending it for someone, unless you think the reasons I stated which you yourself agreed were true arnt appropiate, I dont know what to tell you then....

 

[Diver6127]

what ever. conversation is over in the public forum.

 

[CorradoPsi]

wow, go do some work for a few hours and see what happens. i miss all the fun.

Nemesis, i agree with Diver. you want an engine with a racing pedigree. that means go italian. OS's are great for a beginner to mid level racer, who needs a little forgiveness on the needles. when you want the extra umph, go italian.

just for the record, I've run OS, HPI, Fantom, and Sirio small blocks. i only own 1 small block engine right now, its sirio. I've run HPI, Hotbodies, OS, SH, and Novarossi big blocks. the novarossi's make the power, and are durable, which is why i own 3 of them now in addition to 3 other branded motors.

also, just because a motor lasts 30 minutes on a track, doesn't mean it will last 6 gallons. in addition, if the motor doesn't last 30 minutes on the track, the guy turning the screws need to go back to tuning class no matter what brand engine it is.

dont even begin to lecture me on OS vs. Italian mills. i have EXPERIENCE with both. and not the crap OS mills either, thier racing stuff. i still recommend an italian engine. OS's have a tendency to blow bearings and wear out cranks in the long run. that cheap piston and sleeve will do you no good on a crank with a worn out pin, or in an engine thats been mauled by loose ball bearings.

 

[CANLOGIC]

Where is a good source for these engines. I am just building an R40 and have a NovaRossie R165R12 3 port I am putting in it. I have no idea about it as to whether it is a good engine. Who sells the hot NR, RB's etc. ?

 

[sl0eg1n]

if you go to www.brooklynhobbies.com you can get an RB X12 for just below $200. 710baby was running an Rody X12 in that car he sold you. if you search you may be able to find a novarossi based motor for a little below $300. the engines that i have seen with great power and used with a 710 on the track are the following. the price for these engines are around $300 or a little below

rex RER12S3 (very reliable and holds a good tune)
Top TSRS3 (nice for medium to short tracks)
Mugen x12 (very finicky with the pipe used and has issues with fuel consumption)

 

[nemesis20]

i think i may go with the rb v12 or with the Nova.12 NSR12S3. between the two I'm leaning towards the rb cuz its cheaper. $300 engines are a little over my price change and i think my tuning skills are not that great yet. once my skills are better i will go for the high end engines...

i have another question. whats a good pipe to go with one of these engines?
thanks guys for all the great input. it is very much aprecaited.

 

[Toycar]

Another alternative you may look at is the Serpent Mega Zx-12 Legal race engine. I'm running this one for now on my mtx-3 pro. It's cheap and makes good power and has enough to race with. It may not have the power of the the NSRS3 but you and I are new and won't be able to use the power. The NSRS3 is race legal engine that pushes the limit. It's pretty modified (it's like a 5 port and makes power like a 5 port and is faster than a maxpower mod S3 port race engine) inside making it harder to tune. Try a base race legal engine.

I've run and had apart these engines: mugenX12, Nova 12 NsrS3, Nova 12 NsrS5, Maxpower 12S3 mod, Rb X12 efra/roar 'rody', Serpent Zx-12.

Don't know about O.S. but heard the 12 Tz is pretty good but everyone around me is against O.S. from their previous experiences but my .21V-Spec is the fastest engine on our smaller offroad track. Super dependable easy to tune, holds a tune, and the most beginner friendly.

 

[710baby]

If everyone reads the thread correctly nemesis is a newb & the best way to learn the car is by starting out with a mild engine but if you want to take the fast approach then I would suggest a nova rossi ns3 but if you want a wicked fast motor pm me on what you are looking to spend & I will get you a couple of motors to pick from