They are too new to find any good Deals on them right now but I'd be willing to put one in one of my minis (once i get them going) to see the diff. I Have an Orion Coreless, and a Baja already. I'm still looking for a cheap (less than $25) ESC and have a Venom Micro Fireball on order. I was going to do a little comparison on those but I'd gladly add this one to the mix if I can find one cheap enough. So far I've been lucky enough to find all three of these motors for less than $40 shipped total. Which ever one is best goes in the chicks mini. (Dont worry, the Mamba is going in mine no questions. Muahahaha!)