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hello guys. I have been thinking about getting a helicopter for quite a while and x-mas is coming up so i may be able to get one. I read all of candyman's post. I had allways thought of getting a nitro helicopter but now I'm thinking maybe electric would be easyier to learn with just because you wouldn't have to worry about engine tuning and stuff. What i would like is any input on first helicopters. nitro vs electric, any good specific models (electric or nitro). I have looked at the Piccolo and it seems like it would fit better for my price range and needs. Any input would be greatly appreiciated.
Thanks
Parker

oh yeah and also i have seen Curtis fly before, he is very good

One more thing i forgot to ask about. I have a JR XP 652 radio and 4 micro bb servos will this work with a basic helicopter or do helis need a special radio?
 
Aircraft r/c's need a different radio. If you look at the back of your radio, or on the bottom (different places for different manufacturers) there are icons for a boat and car. Basically it means it's only for surface use. For a plane or helicopter, it's a different radio so Yes, you need a different radio.
 
no the JR XP 652 i have is a 6 channel for planes i just wasn't sure if a plane radio would work with a heli. I think it will though
 
It depends on what kind of heli you get. There are 2 basic types. Fixed pitch and collective pitch. If you decide to go with a fixed pitch for your first heli, an airplane radio will work. But if you go with collective pitch, it's easier to find a heli radio that will allow you to mix throttle with collective to regulate lift. You can't mix that with a standard airplane radio as far as I know.
I bought a Feda Dragonfly as my first. It's an electric micro heli that's fixed pitch so it came with a standard 4 channel air radio. It's not the easiest thing to fly. I have managed to break a lot of parts already and it's been down for a while awaiting new parts. It is one hell of a challenge, though. I have read a lot of posts that suggest a larger electric like the LHM Corona or a .30 sized nitro would be easier to learn on. But I wanted on I could fly indoors because it's freaking cold here (10 degrees today) and I am NOT standing out in that to learn to fly. So it's my winter hobby. There are a lot of helis out there. If you're looking for info, there are a few good sites. I suggest

www.littlerotors.com
www.runryder.com
www.rcgroups.com

all are decent places to get info on helis.
And I have been ordering my parts through www.helihobby.com which so far has been pretty good..
 
Heli radios are different from fixed wing radios in the respect of the throttle/blad pitch channels. If the heli you get is fixed pitch, you probably won't need a heli radio. Most of the micro electrics are fixed pitch and will state that a normal 4 channel will work.

I learned to fly helis on a Lite Machines 110+, it was fixed pitch, but had an .061 nitro engine. Lite Machines has an electric version now, think it's called the Aurora. My 110 was a blast and was very rugged. The other micros can be a bit fragile for learning on. I'd suggest looking into the aurora at www.litemachines.com

My bad, it's called the 120 (Corona).
 
ok thanks guys

My LHS sells some accesories for Lite Machines but does not sell the actual kits. When i was looking at their site none of the electric kits come with gyros. how much does a decent one cost? I know that in the other post Kyosho1 said not to skimp on the gyro. What exactly does the gyro do? Sorry for asking so many questions. I think there is another hobby shop around in my area that has a lot of helis. When i get the time I think i will go talk to one of the people there and stop bothering you guys.
Parker
 
Heli's like the Piccolo you mentioned are more difficult to fly, and learn on, than larger heli's...the reason being is that they are much lighter and more responsive to everything going on around them. Wind will make trying to fly a Piccolo just about impossible. That's the extent of my heli knowledge (which is basically SQUAT), other than in general they're just harder to operate than just about anything else out there; can be very expensive (IMO a Piccolo is just about the most expensive GIZMO you can buy) ; and if not carefull can be dangerous.
But I think with lots of practice once you get the hang of it it'd be a blast to fly!
 
yeah i know they may be small but see thats mainly why i wanted one. See i used to have a plane but i sold it because it was too big to fly in the yard. I had to drive an hour to a flying field, then once you got there the wind would kick up or it would start raining and it got to be more of a pain than it was fun. I am thinking that with a small heli i could fly it in the yard without having to pack up all my stuff and make a special trip to the field.

From what Error said I imagine the Corona would be a good choice since it is a little bigger and sturdier then the Piccolo, but still small enough to take out in the yard.
 
Ohh no doubt man, for me personally I'd rather have a smaller one too. You can fly them wherever you want and not worry about having too much room (after you learn how to fly it skillfully). It'll give you something to do during the commercial breaks :D
 
Yeah, the smaller they are, they harder they are to fly. At the moment I have an MS Composit Hornet (true micro), an LMH 110, a 30 size, a busted up 46 sized and an XCell gas (big G23 powered mofo). By far, the Hornet is the hardest to fly, but also the least dangerous. The XCell is the easiest to fly, but the pucker factor and danger level are way up there. It all has to do with weight. At 12lbs, the Xcell is least affected by wind, less touchy on the controls, more responsive to control input, and has a crap load more power. The down side is the cost and the deep seated fear of it+dirt=very bummed me. I screwed up my 46 by putting the wrong plug in it and being in a bad situation at the wrong time, low and fast with no engine, and almost pulled off an autorotation but at the last second having a boom strike. too many busted parts, so it was a right off. Anyway, the LMH 100 I had was way tough. I had like 4 or 5 boom strikes before I replaced the rotor blades and boom (only because I was over that stage of learning). I'd just straighten the boom and check the blades for damage, of which there never was any on the blades.

What the gyro does is to control the tail. when you give it throttle, you increase the torque going to the rotor. The tail rotor compensates by applying a counter force to keep the heli pointed in one direction. It is possible to fly without a gyro, but it is nearly impossible. The gyro detects a change in yaw and then applies a TR control input to compensate and keep the nose from swinging. This change in yaw can be from cross winds, throttle (torque change), or pilot yaw input. This is a simple gyro setup. There are basically 3 different types of gyros. 1) single rate (like described above). 2) dual rate, so you can set two different gain levels for the gyro. This is a more advanced gyro for flying around without having the gyro making counter control inputs and making the tail less responsive than what you want it to be. The third type is a heading lock gyro. This gyro is a trip. You can set it to act like the first type in one flight mode, and then switch it to HL from the radio. Heading lock is just that. You set it and it will hold the heading no matter what unless you tell it to change heading (like moving the rudder stick), then it'll hold that heading. I have one of those on my XCell and it makes hovering in a crosswind a snap. The down side is that they're more expensive and a bit bigger and heavier than the other two. You'll probably want to go with a single rate when you start off. You'll be doing alot of hovering when you sart off. If you can't hover, you can't land, and that's bad. Take offs are optional, landings are mandatory.

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Thanks a bunch gil and error. Ill check out the corona and see what the hobby shop has to tell me too
thanks
Parker
 
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