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My latest lightweight EDF

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Quorneng

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So far I have described what I had built. This is my latest and as yet un flown.
At the same time North american was building the amazing mach 3 bomber the XB70 Valkyrie they also designed a long range mach 3 interceptor the XF108 Rapier.
I had already built a foam XB70
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So I though it would make a good partner for it however unlike the XB70 the XF108 was never actually built being cancelled once it was realised that bombers were no longer the main threat as the nuclear deterrent had shifted to ICBMs.
This is an artist impressions of what the XF108 would have looked like.
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Interestingly North American did build a full scale mock up.
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but it was highly secrete at the time so there are few pictures of it.
To make matters worse the design was not fully finalised when it was cancelled so there is no "actual" final configuration so whatever I select will be wrong!
I do have a 3 view.
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It seems to be fairly representative of the main XF108 features so I will use it but those cut off "under fins" might be a problem for a belly lander!
As this will be a lightweight I intend to use two 12 blade 40mm EDFs. With a span of 32" (965mm) the inlet ducts will be plenty big enough to feed the EDFs.
The main part of the fuselage is basically a box so will be built first and then everything including the wings added to it
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The ducts are printed in LW-PLA. The EDFs are buried inside the printed exhaust nozzles. with the EDFS right at the back the batteries should need to go in the nose forward of the inlets. Note the solid magnet wire EDF wires led through the foam formers. Such wires only weigh about 1/2 that of convention silicon insulated multi strand wire.
Next the wings
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Although a thin symmetrical section with just top and bottom skins in 3mm foam they are stiff enough without any reinforcement and are simply glued onto the side of the fuselage box!
The fin and top skin are added once the elevon servos are in the wings and the servo wires run forward. The negative dihedral wing tips are similarly ust glued on.
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Finally the nose is built as a 'stand alone item' and simply glued onto the front of the fuse;age box between the intakes.
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When the nose hatches are complete it is given a brushed coat of acrylic silver as an undercoat and finally an acrylic spray to achieve a more metallic finish. Finally the cockpit glass detail is painted on.
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With a 1500mAh 3s on board it weighs 368g (16.5 oz).
A nose down thrust test onto a set of scale showed a thrust of 458g giving a 1.2:1 thrust to weight ratio. Some true "vertical" should be possible.
About 5 weeks work compressed into a single post. I can only hope it flies as well as my XB70.
I will let you know. :)
 
I think one of the most impressive details is that you did all that with 5 weeks of work!

What amount of modeling / simulation goes into the designs? Are you working out wing loading and center of pressure using a cardboard silhouette? Anything computer modelled?
 
tudordewolf
Sorry but there is little scientific approach other than accurate scaling the full size dimensions or in this case as there are gaps in the details just "interpreting" what is shown in the artist's drawings.

I should point out that I have built quite a number of scratch built planes both scale and own design so I have a fair idea of what is needed and this is coupled with an almost fanatical desire to save weight. A sound configuration lightweight is much more likely to be able to be made to fly.

You asked about wing loading.
For example my XF108 has 2.5 sqft of wing area and weighs 16.5 oz which gives a wing lading of 6.6 oz/sqft. A figure equivalent to a slow flyer let alone an EDF! As it has plenty of thrust how it flies will come down to a suitable CG position and stability which is why it has a gyro Rx fitted.
I have also built and flown quite a number of EDF deltas already so I have a fair idea of what to expect.

I hope this explains the sort of design processes I have used in my XF108.
 
tudordewolf
Sorry but there is little scientific approach other than accurate scaling the full size dimensions or in this case as there are gaps in the details just "interpreting" what is shown in the artist's drawings.

I should point out that I have built quite a number of scratch built planes both scale and own design so I have a fair idea of what is needed and this is coupled with an almost fanatical desire to save weight. A sound configuration lightweight is much more likely to be able to be made to fly.

You asked about wing loading.
For example my XF108 has 2.5 sqft of wing area and weighs 16.5 oz which gives a wing lading of 6.6 oz/sqft. A figure equivalent to a slow flyer let alone an EDF! As it has plenty of thrust how it flies will come down to a suitable CG position and stability which is why it has a gyro Rx fitted.
I have also built and flown quite a number of EDF deltas already so I have a fair idea of what to expect.

I hope this explains the sort of design processes I have used in my XF108.

Thanks for the detailed reply, it does provide a lot of insight into the process, I'm always modifying as I go and would like to do an entirely custom design one day.
 
It does fly! But I did have an accident due to a hard landing.
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The problem was the motors kept cutting out (both at the same time) but control remained. This suggested a radio issue as it uses a separate BEC for Rx and servo power. I then remembered the Lemon "stab" Rx did not like the HK Orange TX6i Tx that I was using but it worked perfectly with a Spektrum DX6i. Perhaps the Orange version of DSMX is not as robust as the Spektrum original.
Transferred the XF108 to one of the DX6i memory slots. With no random cutting out it allowed the XF108 to be properly adjusted (the battery needed to go back 10mm) and the control throws adjusted (much less roll) so it now flies pretty well. There will be a video as soon as the strong "arctic air" northerly stops. The joys of UK weather!
 
It now looks like this and it has flown again.
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Compared to my other lightweights it flies pretty fast although like most deltas without undercarriage the ground effect allows a "flop" landing at almost zero forward speed but you have to get it right!
This is probably the best example of "flop" landing with my Handley Page HP115.
I can't guarantee to do it perfectly every time.
 
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It now looks like this and it has flown again.
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Compared to my other lightweights it flies pretty fast although like most deltas without undercarriage the ground effect allows a "flop" landing at almost zero forward speed but you have to get it right!
This is probably the best example of "flop" landing with my Handley Page HP115.
I can't guarantee to do it perfectly every time.
That was NICE! Awesome plane man. I might have to look into building a plane one of these days.
 
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