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CorradoPsi

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this is an example. it was owned by a friend of mine, he is no fool when it comes to RC's. the filter was cleaned and changed regularly, never run without it. however due to design flaws, that can be found using the SEARCH function of the forum, this is the result. dirt and dust enter the engine wearing out parts prematurely. these marks you see on the crank ruin the seal from the crank to case and create an unrepairable airleak for an engine. this is basically for AC48's benefit since i promised to throw up pics.
 
the cap can pop out under a hard hit or landing, allowing the element to fall out and leave your engine completely unprotected. and without a support tube inside the filter element it is free to collapse under vacuum. when it collapses it allows a gap between the bottom of the housing and the filter element, this allows in dirt. it will collapse when clogged with dirt, or brand new because the elements come over oiled. i didnt belive it when i was told either, but when i see the result on an engine i know was well maintained, i can't argue.
 
That's all I've used on my on-roads for many gallons. I guess the fact that they don't see dirt is a factor. Now you have my interest. I'm going to look into this even more.
 
diver, ask around on the grid, they will tell you as well.
 
motor saver

I use one on my maxx and never had a problem after 1 gallon of fuel i pulled motor down and it was fine(bad seal on back plate) and i pound mine in a gravel pit
 
CorradoPsi said:
the cap can pop out under a hard hit or landing, allowing the element to fall out and leave your engine completely unprotected.

A catastrophic failure can happen to any air filter under these conditions. I have had a filter that uses a screw to a plastic lid on to the top brake off during impact causing the filter to slide off of the inner housing tube. With the motor saver, I have seen evidence of the cap being displace but the upward pressure of the foam kept it in place. Under extreme circumstances and the proper conditions any filter can fail. I don't see how this can be seen as a design flaw.

CorradoPsi said:
without a support tube inside the filter element it is free to collapse under vacuum. when it collapses it allows a gap between the bottom of the housing and the filter element, this allows in dirt.

If the element is in good shape it is much larger then the filter housing. Once the cap is on ""If the element is properly installed"" This isn't an issue. I have seen many people use the wrong size element in the 1/8th scale filters.

CorradoPsi said:
it will collapse when clogged with dirt, or brand new because the elements come over oiled.

Both these issues are user error. Being over oiled is the users issue. Do you ever use a part before looking it over first? I know you don't but others may. Motor Saver makes an off road "Cap" for extreme use. This will keep the filter from becoming clogged to the point of restricting flow. If the user chooses not to use it, its not a design flaw. Its a user flaw. I also believe that the cap would minimize the remote possibility of the cap coming off and the filter element dislodging to close to 99.99999%.

CorradoPsi said:
i didn't believe it when i was told either, but when i see the result on an engine i know was well maintained
Maintaining an engine well and getting something in the the engine are two different issues.

According to your post, the filter never came off of this engine. I assume the damage caused was from normal usage over time using only a motor saver. If this is the case, your friend may need to take a look at the way he maintains this part of his car. It doesn't matter how good you are everyone has a weak spot. You nor I were with the engine every single time it was used so there is a huge un-known here. My life long observation of humans shows me its a lot easier to put blame on something that can't argue back. I have also observed that people like to place blame places other them themselves. Nothing against your friend but I find the possibilities greater in this statement then saying its the filters fault.

CorradoPsi said:
i can't argue.
I can and did.

No part is perfect and there is always room for improvement but to say the part suffers from design flaws is not IMO proper in this instance. I brake parts on my RC all the time. DO a search on broke A-Arms on a T-Maxx. 99.999% of them are user error. I had a sidewall blow out on the tire of my 1:1 the other day. Was it a bad tire? I believe it was. I don't ""remember"" hitting a curb or a pot hole. Have others had this same issue with the same tire design? The laws of probability say yes. Was it a design flaw? I don't think so.

Don't get my post wrong. Your friend may very well have had an issue with his filter as well as others but to say its from design flaws, IMO is a Flawed statement.
 
well I haven't seen anyone let theirs get dirty enough to collapse under vacuum...but I have seen the end caps fall off rather easily....a few times I might add.....the Extreme Cap I don't beleive is made for the Larger Filter and if it is I can't see it fitting under my buggy lid....from what I've seen the small block motoer savers rock, but the Big Block versions are just too sloppy for my tastes...I have one and it just didn't fit where I needed it to so I swapped it out...that's the main reason I switched to the OS type.....but I use a pre-filter on them for extra protection...
 
FastEddy said:
Don't get my post wrong. Your friend may very well have had an issue with his filter as well as others but to say its from design flaws, IMO is a Flawed statement.

and you make a good argument, I'm just reporting what i have here in my possesion, the crank, and know about motorsavers and how they fail. this motor was killed by dirt ingestion. it got into the lower bushing of the rod, and shredded it.
 
The info you posted on the MS is good to keep in mind. Every product has strengths and weaknesses and its good to know them.

Now that your on a quest to find a better 1/8th filter I'm eager to see what you find that is better. I'm also interested to see its strength and weaknesses.

Someone will always find a way to build a better mouse trap. There will always be a better design down the road. Until that time I'm going to take note of the issues above and double check my filters after each run to be sure they are functioning properly.

Again, your a great RC mechanic and I'm looking forward to see what better products we can all use. I have always gone out of my way to read the info you post. Your usually right on the mark with your info and observations.
 
Even though I've always ran motorsavers on all three of my engines, I've never had a single problem with the cap popping off. I've got the old first generation style, though, so I suppose that has a lot to do with it....
 
FastEddy said:
. . . Now that your on a quest to find a better 1/8th filter I'm eager to see what you find that is better. I'm also interested to see its strength and weaknesses. . .

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I did find a kick ass air filter. It is an O.S. that came with an RG I bought. The filter itself is nothing magical, but instead of having to use zip ties to hold it on, it comes with these perfectly sized o-rings instead. Its great because you can just slide the o-ring up, and the filter will come off (no more cutting zip ties). Slide the o-ring back down, and the filter is on tight enough to pick the car up. Brilliant!
 
yes, the OS is a great filter. GS, OFNA, Mugen, Xray, TTR all make great filters. what you are looking for is something with a solid cap on both ends thats screwed in, and a center support tube. RB makes a filter with an aluminum tube and plastic caps, this one in particular needs to have the lower cap JB welded into place or it can pop up and leave the engine unprotected. i prefer a 2 stage filter but its not nessessary. you can also put grease around the ends of your filter elements that ride in the plastic caps in very dusty conditions to help seal the element for added protection.
 
KX Be careful and Check that O-ring alot.....I tried them too and had a few blow off on me....sucks cause that ends the day wether stuff gets in or not.....I lucked out 2 times and just never tried them again.....I still use the filte but I do the zip ties....ond it wasn't the bottom one that fell off it was the top one right under the filter.....
 
I like the motorsavers.. but I think I like my MGT stock air filter better.

I run the motor saver on the savage, but i am thinking about ordering some more of the tt ones.
 
I like the motorsavers as well, and have heard of the design flaws many times, and how people say they are bad, but I still use them... However, if I ever do get a expensive engine, then I'll definately switch because why take the slighest risk when it comes to a $300+ engine...
 
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