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I dont know if any exist - but from an engineering standpoint its a fact. I think is at 35 degree or greater that it rolls. This is for dire emergency and avoidance purposes ONLY!
 
wow that is a good idea for the whole top deck to fall off and not take the ship with it.
 
Yeah, it's because all the guys get sloshed to the low side and it gets the boat too out of balance.
 
You guys crack me up.

If the carrier rolls too far, anything that is not tied/chained down that has sufficient mass to overcome friction between it and the flight deck will fall into the sea.

No, the roof does not fall into the ocean. And no, the carrier won't sink. A fully loaded carrier has a huge amount of ballast (called fuel and ordnance) in the belly of the ship. This weight tends to make the carrier act like a weeble wobble. Yes, it will rock and roll, but it would take a fair amount of force to actually capsize a carrier.

If a real torpedo were fired at the carrier, and she couldn't avoid it by turning or out running it or any of the other methods they use to protect against torpedoes...she would take a hit. Depending on where the hit happens, the damage would and could be very minimal. But it could also be very catastrophic.

As for cutting the rudder over too far, the ship would continue in its turn until it reached an equilibrium point and then settled back into the water due to loss of forward momentum. When the ship makes these hard turns, she bleeds off speed like crazy.
 
The other thing you didn't mention is the fact that you guys have to putt around the pattern till they quit doing doughnuts.
 
Originally posted by SkyMaxx
You guys crack me up.

If the carrier rolls too far, anything that is not tied/chained down that has sufficient mass to overcome friction between it and the flight deck will fall into the sea.

No, the roof does not fall into the ocean. And no, the carrier won't sink. A fully loaded carrier has a huge amount of ballast (called fuel and ordnance) in the belly of the ship. This weight tends to make the carrier act like a weeble wobble. Yes, it will rock and roll, but it would take a fair amount of force to actually capsize a carrier.

If a real torpedo were fired at the carrier, and she couldn't avoid it by turning or out running it or any of the other methods they use to protect against torpedoes...she would take a hit. Depending on where the hit happens, the damage would and could be very minimal. But it could also be very catastrophic.

As for cutting the rudder over too far, the ship would continue in its turn until it reached an equilibrium point and then settled back into the water due to loss of forward momentum. When the ship makes these hard turns, she bleeds off speed like crazy.
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oh well anyways i am gullable so ya i believed it
 
Error, tru dat...if the donuts are as depicted in the image that started this thread. But, I have been in the pattern many a time where the pilots have to chase lineup because the ship is in a turn. Makes the approach a little gamey, but we can and do land when the carrier is in a turn (just not one where the deck angle is canted by 20 degrees).

bmoc...don't sweat it. Gullibility goes away with age, maturity, and experience. We burn Christian regularly...so you are in good company.
 
So are you telling me the flight deck of an aircraft carrier doesn't come off in an excessive turn to prevent a capsize from happening?
 
lol yea it would be an inconvience to have the flight deck fall off then expose all of the stuff under the deck and then the planes could not take off
 
Originally posted by Çh®i§tiªñ
So are you telling me the flight deck of an aircraft carrier doesn't come off in an excessive turn to prevent a capsize from happening?
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I don't know where you heard that, but if the flight deck were to do that it would rip the top half of the ship off with it. The island is mounted to the flight deck. The flight deck is the ceiling for everything beneath it. Besides, having the flight deck fall off the ship would do nothing to prevent the ship from capsizing. If she's going over, she's going over. The rest of us would be along for the ride.
 
I was watching one of the Discovery Channel (as always) specials on how they 'certify' an aircraft carier sea worthy. In the process they will get up to full speed and cut the rudder 100%. Whil in that process they are force to pay VERY close attention to the tilt degrees (and they come really close). They said that if they were to hit or go over 35 degrees of tilt (I'm pretty certain) that the deck would roll off. This was for last effort emergencies only. It made sense to me if that was the only meneuver they had and were force to do it.

Call me cooky, but thats what they said. These were the people who build and certify the things.

Ill see if I can find anything on the subject.
 
Are ya sure they were'nt talking about some western european nation's ships?
 
Positive. In fact the one was just being added to the Naval fleet about a year ago (thats when the special was on). It was a nuclear powerred on to boot. The engineering and design staff was on board with a heavy American Naval Crew (and AF crew). They go through a scoring system. Along the way, points are deducted and fines are added up if need be. 1lb of weight equals some type of dollar amount if it has to. These guys take this poop to the bigtime in regards to seriousness. From a completely stop, to full speed, to a complete stop all over again. The figure 8's, launch, catch, web catch, radios, all doors, mobile decks for lifting the birds. All kinds of poop. Was a lengthy special. But I swear the deck rolled off.
 
Hmmmm...I suspect foul play from the point where you say an AF crew. By that I assume you mean an Air Force crew? If so, there is no such carrier. The Air Force is purely land based.

I'm not ship builder, but from what I can tell you from watching them build several in this area is simple. This stuff is all welded together. If the flight deck were to depart the carrier under a 35 degree roll, the carrier might as well sink. The island (or control tower) houses most of the ship driving controls. The deck just below the flight deck is where most of the combat systems are driven from. If the roof fell off, the carrier becomes useless for launching and recovering aircraft. Further, the internals become externals and most electronics do not mix well with moisture....let alone salty air.

Now, during the sea trials it is quite possible that the flight deck is not one hundred percent secured to the structure of the ship (unlikely but possible). That being the case what you say might be true. BUT I am thinking that they were talking about something other than the flight deck.

I'll ask some of the guys that build these things, and get back to you.
 
C admit it, you got my package I sent you and it's all in your head:mex: j/k kidding I have no knowledge either way.
 

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