LST XXL or Revo????

[Sam_the_revo_man]

Well which do you guys think is better. Can we please get no biased people just naming there own cars. At my LHS the Losi looked huge and so did the engine so I thought that it would be too heavy for fast running and jumping. The revo looks light, fast and has the inboard suspension. What do you think would be best for running in the street and some jumping in the weekend.
The thing I really like about the losi is the digital radio, but thats really it and I could always purchase that later if I'm not happy with the traxxas radio.
Thanks Sam

 

[RusTLeRx350]

What do you plan on doing with it? Bashing, or racing? The Losi would be a better basher, but it wouldn't do nearly as well as the Revo on a track. The Revo is a good basher though, but it also has the capability to race. It's more nimble, and overall a faster truck. Personally if I had the money, I'd go with the Revo.

 

[frickenjoey]

Can we please get no biased people just naming there own cars.

You mean like this quote on Racers1966's thread?

Savages are slow cars. Too heavy. The say that there the strongest cars, there just a brick with wheels attached.

But to answer your question and not just to spam...You are comparing apples to oranges. The Revo is a 1/10 scale mid block truck and the Losi is a true 1/8 scale bigblock. The Losi is a very solid truck and actually quite capable for its size. You sound like you have your mind set on the Revo already judging by your screen name. Your will find the Losi is much more refined than the Revo and just built stronger. If you are scared of the bigger truck by all means you with the Revo. But you will find either one are a solid ride.

 

[olds97_lss]

Well, I've had neither exactly as your purchasing I doubt.

I've had a heavily modified 2.5R chassis and 3.3 chassis revo. Ran a 18TM in both and a BB in the 3.3 chassis.

I currently have a heavily modified aftershock that is built for brute force, but it still handles about 200% better than my savage.

For the bashing I do, the revo did not hold up. I kept busting rockers and chewing up spur gears due to tweaking the chassis in the engine bay area from properly landing decent jumps. For general small air/high speed bashing, the revo is a blast. A 3.3 would be proffered (not even sure if the 2.5R version is even available anymore). That truck requires at least the 3.3 in it IMO to make it fun. The 18TM was a perfect engine for it, very similar power output, but easier to tune. The BB conversion I did was way overkill for it. For serious bashing, a side pipe or wing is almost a must due to the header getting smashed on rear landings. Busted a lot of headers before I converted...

It was a great, economical and decent handling little truck. The smaller engines run for quite a while on a tank of fuel. It can also be quite a bit quieter, unless you get an aftermarket pipe.

As for the LST, while I don't have the XXL, I do have a heavily modified aftershock with an LRP28S3 in it (which supposedly the XXL engine is a clone of) and it's a great rig. With RPM arms, lunsford turnbuckles all around, a better roll bar to protect the engine, center skid to protect the spur/pipe, front-> center custom skid to keep the chassis rails from breaking, it's a tough rig. I could safely say it's at least as tough as my savage, which also has "brute force" upgrades.

As mentioned, kind of "apples vs oranges". Sure, both are fruit, but done in completely different ways.

If you want something light, nimble and quick that can take a decent amount of abuse and minimal air in the jumps, the revo is what you want.

If you want something big, nimble for it's size that can take a lot of abuse (with a few key upgrades), a torquey engine that likes to drink and can take big air with a grin, then the LST would be it.

For me and what I do, the LST wins with the savage XL being a close second (it wasn't one of your two, I know).

 

[RC Addict]

I concur with the fellows above me. You really can't compare the two. The LST is big, heavy, and bullet proof. The Revo is small, nimble, and fragile. If you want to win races get the Revo (and build it up to survive the race). If you want to bash all weekend and have your rig intact at the end of the day get the LST.

And for the record, I AM biased. At least I admit it!

 

[Sam_the_revo_man]

What is the main weakness in the revo for breakages? If i'm running it on an area like this would that be pushing it??

The LST just looks like everyother truck and want something that is a little different. The only thing I like about the losi is the spektrum radio. I hate the gear box though, Some flimsy bit of plastic on the side of the car.
Sam

 

[TWOCANE]

I have to say the Revo looks like every other rig I see. The LST2 dwarfs all of them.Both rigs could ddo that track.The Losi would stand up to alot more.Like every one said they are 2 different rigs all together.

 

[olds97_lss]

What is the main weakness in the revo for breakages? If i'm running it on an area like this would that be pushing it??
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The LST just looks like everyother truck and want something that is a little different. The only thing I like about the losi is the spektrum radio. I hate the gear box though, Some flimsy bit of plastic on the side of the car.
Sam

Both would probably do well there as long as you landed on the down slopes of the jumps. The LST would handle overshooting the big jumps better IMO.

Big air is where my revo lost the battle. It wasn't handling or general toughness. My biggest issue was big air on a not so proffered landing area (flat).

The one place I have to run is a skate park. Not a real big one mind you, but a few of the jumps out of the park are easy to get 6+ feet of air under your truck. The only problem is, the drop is straight down and the chassis/suspension is forced to absorb all of the impact every time.

After 5 or 6 of those jumps in a row, my revo engine bay would tweak a bit, then mesh would be screwed up. Or, I'd bust a rocker arm. Or, I'd bust a shock shaft. Or, I'd bust a header. Keep in mind, it was pretty heavily modified to avoid problems, but these were the reoccurring problems I couldn't really get away from. I had RPM arms, RPM axle carriers, alloy shock ends, TiNi shafts, alloy shock top mounts. Other general upgrades were the pipe, FOC, single steering servo, better throttle linkage and servo and roll bar.

I tried many combination's of oil/springs/rockers/pushrods and I could never get it to not bottom out hard from a 7-8 foot straight drop or have one of the above breakage issues. I wouldn't mind the hard bottoming out if it held together better.

Then I got the aftershock, threw some LST shocks on it, RPM arms, better engine brace and a roll bar. I ran like that for quite a while and it could take the same jump, time after time, day after day without issue.

The savage is the same way as the aftershock. Minimal upgrades, same amount of punishment with less frequent breakage. It just doesn't handle as good as the aftershock or the revo. More of a "point and jump" than a finesse vehicle.

Sorry for all the rambling. I just wanted to let you know my issues and that I did try to get the revo to a point that was as good as my other rigs. Just never could get it to do as well as my others that ran at the same place.

EDIT:
By the way... I would really love to run at the place in your photos! Looks like regardless what you get, it will be a total blast!

 

[syphon68]

I own both a heavily modified revo and LST2 w/ all the xxl upgrades. even in stock form my LST2 put up with allot of careless bashing, jumping, and cartwheels where it seemed like every time there was a hard landing with the Revo I would twist something especially the engine bay. I had to get a new chassis then reinforce it with some extra steel and an RC solutions roll cage now I can't remember the last time I broke something and I go to the BMX track on a regular basis.

 

[RC Addict]

The LST just looks like everyother truck and want something that is a little different. The only thing I like about the losi is the spektrum radio. I hate the gear box though, Some flimsy bit of plastic on the side of the car.
Sam

I am sorry but there I must disagree. A 1/8th doesn't look just like everything else. Heck, it even dwarfs the Savage (which I feel is really a 1/9th). The Revo looks like everything else save for the suspension. But, as everyone here has stated, that suspension isn't made for bashing. Nor is the chassis.

If you are interested in racing like the buggies and truggies do go with the Revo and mod it to take the abuse. If you want to bash and get big air and not break the LST series is the ONLY way to go IMO.

And that flimsy bit of plastic on the side of the car is NOT the gear box. That is the cover for the gears.

 

[Sam_the_revo_man]

OK i'm going to get the xxl. Does it have alot of aftermarket third party parts like RPM arms etc. It looks very heavy in videos I have seen, is there a way of lightening it? Thanks Sam

 

[syphon68]

the great thing about the XXL is that you can use the LST2 hopup parts, so the answer is yes. the main part that is different is the extended chassis. When I went through my LST2 i didn't so much worry about weight and just concentrated on durability but I don't race it and also drive it like I stole it....

If you ffwd this video to about 1:14 it is my LST2 driving in an area similiar to your pictures, the first part of the video was the Revo just before the Rod blew so it wasn't making any power.

good luck and I bet you will have fun....

 

[RC Addict]

Yes, it is heavy as heck at thirteen pounds, but that is mostly due to the chassis setup. You can't run three thick ol' pieces of aluminum and not have it be heavy. In the case of the LST series the weight is your friend. If you try to lighten it up bu ditching the side rails, etc you will end up bending if not breaking something.

 

[olds97_lss]

If you ffwd this video to about 1:14 it is my LST2 driving in an area similiar to your pictures, the first part of the video was the Revo just before the Rod blew so it wasn't making any power.

To be honest, that revo didn't do the revo much justice... lol Did it ever hit 2nd gear?

Did you bust something on your XL at the very end? Looked like one of the front tires was flopping around a bit.

 

[syphon68]

like I said the motor was singing a death song so it wasn't making any power I was just driving it to the grave and yes I broke an arm on the LST at the very end but it was worth the $6...