Build Thread Father/son build

[Lessen]

Very cool Lessen. Can you pick up a spare body and have the boy paint it? I had my girls do a buggy body once and they loved it.

I think I may let him brush paint some small area on this one. I'm taking suggestions on the colors from him but within reason. I want it to look sweet but still be "his". Of couse if I let him have at it, it would be a rainbow but I'm not gonna give him quite that much freedom. He really likes red right now so that will be the main color. He also wanted white which works out great. A little black and gray also he says. I've talked him out of the bad color combos but I was REALLY excited when he said gold. Now your talkin' Chase!

Man, this thing requires a lot of cutting...

 

[w bill]

Thats really great to invest the time and intrest with the kids pays off when they grow up. AS a father of 6 i know its a lot of fun thank god there all grown.Still got the first car i built for my son i remember all the fun we had every time i see it . Nice build keep it going!

 

[Lessen]

 

[savagefan04]

looking good! can't wait to see the final product

 

[Lessen]

I've actually been reworking this a bit. I wasn't cometely happy with all aspects of the design.

 

[sweetdiesel]

Body looks like a b* to work with. Wish I had the patience (and skill) to even attempt it.

 

[Lessen]

So I quickly realized that after so many coats of red you end up with purple. NOT what I'm going for. I'm gonna try something else. I think I'm getting close with this depth and flake concept though.

 

[Lessen]

I like this tone better, it's quite fiery.. but too much yellow flake.

 

[Rolex]

What are you shooting that gives you the purple? Is it the flake?
I've found that if you lay down a few coats of a candy, the flake has little effect on the final outcome.
I've used flakes of red, copper and silver, and in the finished paint, you can't define the colors, but I suppose they make a subtle difference.

You've got a serious cut out project going there. I just know it's gonna' be a real beauty.

 

[Lessen]

The purple is actually Spaz Red Vino annodized. Ther's probably 7 coats of it. I'm using Pactar Silver metallic flake.. but the color of the flake depends on the color that is over it. I know the following shot has a lot of glare but it more accurately represents the overall look when the light is reflected directly at you. The outcome is waaaay too much yellow.

The layer breakdown of the second piece was this...

1. yellow anno
2. silver flake metallic
3. orange anno
4. silver flake metallic
5. red vino anno
6. silver flake metallic
7. orange anno
8. silver flake metallic
9. red vino anno
10. orange anno
11. orange anno

Something like that. I'll be honest I kind of lost track But I want to lessen the yellow flake but keep the fiery red. The thing about that photo is that is the best angle but not the most common angle. For the most part the color overall looks very yellow because there is too much yellow flake. I want the color as a whole to be more red so the flake needs to be predominately red. I'm thinking the first coat should be the red vino followed by a coat of the flake. Then one or two coats of yellow followed by flake. At that point I start pounding down orange with a couple coats a flake afterward.

 

[Rolex]

I think I know why it's different. In the flake you are using, I see almost every color imaginable. Green, blue, red, yellow, etc.
The flake I used is pure dry flake, added to clear coats. I have that same combination you have listed as white, but it shows all those same colors, so I've never used it.
Blue flake only reflects blue, red, only red. When you add the clear with flake added, the depth of the color coats will make the silver look red. There is no change in color using the dry flake. Here's a shot of silver flake under a few coats of hard anno teal.
This shot is in direct reflection of the flash, but even then, the flake only reflects the teal it's behind.

 

[Lessen]

That seems to read the same as I am experiencing. The color of the flake is in direct relation to the color it is behind. What I'm trying to do now is get the right color flake while keeping the overall tone in the paint color I want. I'm doing a third test now as I noted above but I'm not liking the results so far. That red vino is not doing me any favors. I'm thinking I need to start off with the yellow like I did in the second piece but add no flake until I lay down the orange, then the vino, flake.. pound the orange. I really like the color of that second piece and I really chalk it up the combination of the three tones in layers, but maybe the flake just needs to be omitted after the yellow. ???

OK, I take it back. After a couple more coats of orange the fiery look is coming back. Here's a couple shots and the layers thus far are.. I think

1. red vino
2. flake
3. yellow
4. yellow
5. flake
6. orange
7. orange
8. flake
9. orange
10. orange

Now this still needs backed and I'm wondering what would happen if my next layer was like a straight up red or flourescent red. Also keep in mind the film is still on in these shots.

 

[MGT8.0owner]

Nice build Lesson. nice to see some quality father-son time

can't wait to see what this car looks like when it's done

 

[Rolex]

Mask that piece off in strips, then try black backer and also chrome backed with black.

 

[Lessen]

I did mask it off in two sections to try. A couple things but I'm happy with neither. I'm going to try a different approach.

 

[Rolex]

I need to get this clear...
Are you adding dry flake to clear coat, or is the flake already mixed in a transparent silver?
If you're getting different colors from different flakes, then you'll have to lay down a lot more of the color you're going for before adding the flake. You might also want to hold off on the yellow and just try the orange after that, then more red.


EDIT:
Check this. It's been loaded in PhotoBucket direct from my camera unload folder. I don't know how much compression is done on that site, but I did not reduce the photo file from it's original .Raw format.
The roof edges are brighter, having been backed first with chrome, the fender and upper body edge was backed with a little chrome, and the body got it's first coat on the bottom edge, with root beer. Everything was backed with gloss black.

http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx215/ThunderBee/PC010090.jpg?t=1292802254

 

[Lessen]

The flake paint in question is a silver flake in a clear base.

The second piece is by far the best looking although not quite what I was going for as far as base color. What I was really going for was a semi-bright but still rich red with red, orange, and yellow toned sparkle. The problem I now realize is that the brighter the base color, the more broken it looks when the light reflections off of the flake is not at maximum. Basically, it seems that when I brighten up the base tone, the flake becomes more apparent as a "dead spot" when it's not glistening rather than blending in with the base color. Does that make any sense?

 

[Lessen]

Time to get this baby finished up right. I'm not gonna get too anal about the color so I'm going to go with the pattern that is post #32 minus the flake layer behind the orange. I think lessening the number of metallic layers by one will help balance the tone of the base with the flair of the flake. Laying down the liquid mask today.

 

[HPI-Killer]

Looking good so far man can't wait to see this thing!!

 

[Lessen]

Just about done with planning

R= Red (see above picture for an idea of what to expect)
MB = Metallic Black
W= White
G= Aztec Gold