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I have a feeling this has probably been pointed out before but I'm just curious. Without going into the "why for?" discussion.... Exactly why can't 2-stroke r/c engines sustain high rpms for extended amounts of time? Is it simply a cooling issue or do the problems run deeper than that?
 
I think its more of a hardware issue. I dont' think the conrod and crank pin could handle 35k rpm for 2-3 min. I may be totally out in right field with that, but thats what I tell myself so I don't blow up my engines...
 
higher RPMs = higher heat....lube/Oil burns off faster in the mix.....at least the way you need to keep it tuned to run well throughout the full range of RPMs (or throttle body opening/closing) it has to be something along those lines and due to the fact that you can't have your carb running so rich on the bottom (or you flood it) to sustain the proper mixture at high RPMs....I'm just guessing at this due to the fact that when they are on a stand break in the engine is held at WOT and then tuned for the right temp....and when you go to restart it they can flood real easy if you don't do it right.....
 
ok, I'm a little confused. I always thought the low setting has no affect at all on the high end. Couldn't you just lean the low end?

or I was thinking that in order to keep the engine temp in check you need to run it so rich that it in effect diminishes top speed...? catch 22 kind of deal?
 
There is nothing inherantly wrong with the design of a 2 stroke that says they can't run wfo. Look at chainsaws or jet skis. If the jetting is right, they will run indefinitley wide open. But the proper top end setting varies with the conditions. The setting for a tight track with brief moments of wide open will be much leaner than the setting needed for extended wide open, such as bashing in a big open field. Some engines are known for weak con rods, like the OS RG 21. They can break from very high rpm, independant of mixture. I think in most cases, people have their hsn set for tight conditions, then wonder why they overheat or grenade when they go for extended wide open driving.
 
Although, chainsaws and jet skis don't see anywhere near the RPM's these nitro's are cranking out. Plus, they are ringed engines, so the tolerances are different internally.

Is there a wenkel nitro 2-cycle engine around? (rotary)
 
the conrods and crankpins can only handle so much stress. short bursts they can sustain just fine, but if you hold it WOT for too long with a lean HSN, like a race tuned engine has, the engine will overrev beyond is physical limits and grenade. it has to do more with the weight of the piston, wristpin, conrod weight/strength ratio than anything else. that piston may be light, but getting it to change direction while occillating at 40,000+ rpm requires a LOT of force. throw into the mix that there is less lubricant in the engine due to a leaner mixture to get to those kinda speeds and its even harder on the internals.

there are 2 kinds of tunes you can put on your engines, and you can't get them mixed up for what your doing with them

there is a racing tune, which has a lean HSN to get your car to max speed by the end of the longest straight, with a rich LSN to keep temps down and to keep the bottom end from going soft in long mains.

and there is a bashing tune. which has the HSN set to limit your top speed to a reasonable limit by being on the rich side of peak power, and a lsn tuned a little leaner to retain the snap off the line.

if you bash with a racing tune, blown motor for sure, it will overrev and throw a rod, or lock up, or overheat if your lucky. if you race with a bashing tune, you will get walked all over the track because the other guys are setup to run fast on the track and your car doesn't have the room to get up to full speed.

and yes, OS makes a wankle engine for airplanes.
 
I'm almost positive that rotary from OS is a four cycle. . I've been curious in the past about the possibility of a 2 cycle rotary. but it just doesn't make much sense. if you look at tthe way a rotary works, all of the 4 cycles are dedicated. I mean intake and compression always happen on one end & combustion and exhaust always take place on the opposite end. If were possible to engineer a 2 cycle version the intake would need to somewhere in the area closer to the plugs... with the exhaust being on the opposite of the plugs. Now you have everything going on on one side of the engine. It seems to me you could actually have both cycles happening twice, with intake port, plugs, and exhaust port on both sides of the engine... jeez, that would create crazy rpms... 6 ignitions within one rotary revolution...just imagine. I don't know how you could control timing of combustion/exhaust/intake though
 
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