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i was wondering what engine would make the stock savage faster? the picco .26 or the hyper 8? i am not goin to be doin anyracing on tracks besides racing my friends on the street :breakdown . thanks
vince
 
Your not doing any racing so i'd say get the picco
 
picco if not using it at a track..

if you come across a track and go to play though you may find its hard on a corse with lots of turns..
 
picco .26 is not race legal except for the outlawed class.
 
i can race with it at my track in normal class.. problem is the torque and all the turns hurts you more than it helps..
 
Originally posted by CRSMP5
i can race with it at my track in normal class.. problem is the torque and all the turns hurts you more than it helps..
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Then it is not a roar legal race. That was what I meant by my first statement "it is not race legal". If if's just a pile of people at the track then you make your own rules for your race.
 
yep your correct.. so depends on the track he were to use it at.. also the HPI challange allows the picco in the savage.. at least thats what their forum says...
 
If you race get a .21 but if your track will allow it get the picco .26

Steve
 
I've gotta do this again (sorry guys)

Hyper .21 8-port ------> 2.4 Horse Power
Picco .26 ------> 2.7 Horse Power
Hyper .21 8-port Race -----> 2.7 Horse Power

CRSMP5 and I both own the hyper 8-port race. It's also race legal. Most people will tell you that the picco still has a little bit more power.

I'd also like to point out that all three of these engines are fairly difficult to tune.

-Rob
 
A couple questions:
1. Is the Hyper 8 Port Race available with the pull start? I thought this was non-pull, in which case it isn't suitable for the Savage?
2. Is there anyplace that actuall has Picco .26 engines? I have not been able to find any in stock.
Thanks
 
thanks everybody for anwerin my question, but what is the speed that the savage will go with the picco.26? thanks for answerin all my weird questions:yes:
 
Originally posted by NoviceRob
I've gotta do this again (sorry guys)

Hyper .21 8-port ------> 2.4 Horse Power
Picco .26 ------> 2.7 Horse Power
Hyper .21 8-port Race -----> 2.7 Horse Power

CRSMP5 and I both own the hyper 8-port race. It's also race legal. Most people will tell you that the picco still has a little bit more power.

I'd also like to point out that all three of these engines are fairly difficult to tune.

-Rob
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Rob, where'd ya get those numbers? I met a guy from NC (noob imo) that said some guys down his was dyno'd a picco 26. He said it was like 2.4hp. I think he's full of it. I have 3 engines, 1 burnt up 21bb that runs best at 325, a new 21bb that is kind of impressive but still not broken in all the way, and a Hyper 8 w/ps that impresses the hell outa me. Ofna says that the hyper is 2.6hp and I think the 21bb is 1.7. I'm confused and have no idea where these dang numbers are comming from. I don't race much, and would rather bash if I could. Noone around here runs the savage (at least I haven't seen anyone else) and noone has a hyper 8 let alone a picco 26, so I have no point of reference to go by.

Thanks,
Whitt...
 
the mfg makes them up as far as i can tell. from what i was told before, don't go by the mfg specs, if it says 2.7, that is the most the motor will put out. trust me, i searched everywhere to figure this out.
 
error401,

I'm talking about "claimed" HP I'm reading this stuff right off the OFNA website:

http://www.ofna.com/eng-hyper21-8port.html

(My bad 2.5 HP for the straight 8-port)

http://www.ofna.com/eng-hyper21-8portRace.html

(2.7 claimed HP)

http://www.ofna.com/eng-picco-26.html

(2.7 claimed HP)

I've heard that the 8-port race has more bottom end than the straight 8-port.

I REALLLY REALLY REALLY wanna see dyno results for nitro engines. "claimed HP" is a bunch of bull. I'd shut right the hell up if I saw the real numbers (I promise).

Originally posted by LarryA
A couple questions:
1. Is the Hyper 8 Port Race available with the pull start? I thought this was non-pull, in which case it isn't suitable for the Savage?
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OFNA doesn't not import the pullstart version of the 8-port race from Ho Bao.

The 8-port race w/ pull start does exist. (Hobao #2117). You just have to buy them from Ho Bao directly or through this guy:

[email protected]

I got mine on ebay from [email protected] for $165 + shipping.
 
Rob, Claimed, rated, actual, it's no sweat to me. I now have 3 engines, two are the same (HPI 21BB, 1 new, 1 cooked) and the hyper 8 PS. In my opinion, the hyper smokes the 21BB in the power department, and that's about all that matters to me. The funny thing is, the hyper burns about 1/2 the fuel that the 21BB does at the same temperature (~250). As for the dyno testing, I think I talked about the fella that said that his buddies dyno'd the picco 26 and it sucked in the HP department. I do not believe this is the case. I do believe that they didn't know how to dyno an engine. I admit that the 26 will beat a hyper 8 in the same setup, and both of those will smoke the stock 21bb.

The point is, yesterday I went to the local track and the few folks there had never seen a hyper in a savage. Most of the savages that do show up (few and far between) are stock, and mostly just burble around the track. I was getting 20-25 foot (horrizontal) jumps off the tabletop and they were like "holy crap!" I also destroyed a rim and a half yesterday from all the torque. How many horsies are under the hood? I don't know, but I am happy with the hyper and it's a direct drop-in for the savage.

Whitt...
 
I am so glad that someone waved the "CLAIMED" flag with the discussion of horsepower.

I'll also say that (as my esteemed bash buddy pointed out in another thread) the engine is only half of the solution. The other half is the guy who breaks it in and tunes it. It that half of the equation is an idiot and doesn't have a clue (or at least doesn't seek one or follow the directions that come with the engine), then even the most sophisticated piece of RC power plant hardware can turn to a piece of crap. I'll say that the Hyper is an impressive engine. I've seen the Outlaw running, and I was not impressed...but the guy who owned it was a knucklehead. I have also seen a decently tuned .21BB perform pretty impressively.

So to the question...when you shop for an engine, buy what you can afford. Pricetag does not automatically guarantee performance. Follow the break in, and tune for performance. My recommendation is get a Hyper 8 port (race or plain). I know from my own experience that you will not be disappointed. You'll have to get the first person story on the other engines from those who own them.
 
I picked up my picco .26 at lhs for 159.95 plus tax. you can't go wrong with this engine so much power for the money. I read in maxxtraxx forum about rcsavage test of the picco .26 and the WS 7, it was unreal. I really think is the best buy for the money. :dance:
 
Error, I'm not picking a fight here but you should see my stock .21bb engine. I mean it really rocks.

While the hyper .21 8 port has the potential to smoke the crap out of a stock engine, I really can't complain about the performance of my stock engine. Nor did I have a problem with the performance of the older hyper .21 which I have in my t-maxx.

To be perfectly honest I found breaking in my .21 bb easier and less overall fuel to break in than my hyper .21.
 
NP Pirata. My new 21BB isn't quite as broken in as my Hyper. Maybe that's why the 21BB was burning so much fuel the evening I was running with a buddy. I was temping them at the same time and had both set at about 250. Maybe my buddy was going WOT more than me, but he was going thru about a whole tank to my 1/2.

I'm not knocking the 21BB at all. It's just the first one I had was cooked when I got it (used), and the new one isn't tweaked yet. I do think the Hyper has more power than the other 21BBs that I have seen (in person), but that may be due to the people tuning them. We'll see, I'm gonna get down that way soon to bash w/ you and Sky.
 

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