Confused on which Brushless set-up to go with?

[ShredSled]

I'm looking at going to a brushless set-up for my SC10 in the near future, but for this project I DO NOT want a crazily overpowered system like it seems many go straight to.
Preferably looking for something that will be just slightly quicker than the stock set-up, but just more efficient and less maintenance. If possible (excuse my ignorance, I've never raced so I'm unsure of regulations), I'd even like it to be allowed in a few races... if you can understand what I'm saying...
Not looking to spend crazy amounts, but I have been drooling over that LRP system... what is it, the stock spec. or something, which has changeable profiles to go to stock settings up to faster settings.

Anyone have any input?

Also what "turn" motor should I go with?

 

[Justin B]

17.5 seems to be the way most are leaning as far as racing goes, it's about the same speed as a stock motor but won't need to be replaced for some time. I've run a 13.5 Novak with good luck. It has plenty of power but not really legal for racing by me.

 

[trxrcman]

I'd stick with a 17.5 or a 13.5, as for brand it really up to you, I personally love my Novak's, but they all run good. :thumbup1:

 

[ShredSled]

Alright, thanks for the input guys! Keep it coming!

so.... 17.5 brushless huh? That's legal to race in which class? It's same speed as the stock Reedy Radon 17t?

Which Novak series are you two running? I've got the Mongoose in my Mini Inferno and I like it, but I don't know much about their larger scale stuff.
Anything good or bad about the Mamba's 1/10th?
Still looking at the LRP stuff, but quite pricey! Would the Eraser motor and AI ESC be a decent combo? Or is LRP AI lacking much adjustability?

I'm assuming the new sensored stuff is better than going with sensorless?

 

[robmob]

Sensored eliminates the chance of cogging at low throttle.

 

[Justin B]

I'm running Novak Havoc with the 17.5 and 13.5 and have had no issues with either. I can't speak about the Mamba yet but I just picked one up to try with a 5700kv motor for my BJ4.

 

[ShredSled]

I'm running Novak Havoc with the 17.5 and 13.5 and have had no issues with either. I can't speak about the Mamba yet but I just picked one up to try with a 5700kv motor for my BJ4.

gotcha.
So you've got both motors, huh?
Interesting.
I'm still confused about the "turns" versus the "kv" ratings.
So what "turn" roughly would the 5700 Mamba be?
also are you going with the Max Pro sensored, or just a sidewinder or what?

Not sure which motor size I'd go with first...
Now looking at that LRP SPX Stock Spec, and the Vector X12 stock... heavy coin though.
I really don't need to be popping wheelies or burning anymore tires though, just want long run times and smooth driving with low maintenance... Faster motor and I just brake things faster!

Yeah, I've had decent luck with the Castle stuff for my 1/18th and 1/16th scale RC's, but wasn't sure of their reputation for the larger scales these days.

 

[trxrcman]

I also run the Novak Havoc system great bang for the buck my next one will be the Havoc pro Ballistic system a little more $$$ but from what I've heard its wort the money. As for the 1/10 castle stuff there are a lot of guy who run them around my area but it just seems like a pain to have to hook the system up to a laptop to adjust all the settings, don't know much about it just see guys at the track with thier laptops hook to cars.

 

[Justin B]

The Novak motor closest to 5700kv would be probably 8.5 which is 5000kv and would be PLENTY of motor for a Short Course truck. A Velineon system is 3500kv which would be about equal to a 13.5 at 3300kv. If you're going to race your SC10, go to the track and find out what everyone is using (rules)before spending your hard earned money on a system that's not allowed. If you're running stock tires a 13.5 (3300-3500kv)is a good choice. It has lots of power for most tracks and depending on your radio you may even be able to tailor the power to the track you're running on.
I have a friend who is running a Slash and has a Novak Havok with 8.5 (5000kv) motor with Pro line Calibers and it works pretty good but he's not legal to race anywhere with that set up, so I guess it's up to you what you want to use the truck for.

 

[ShredSled]

Did anyone else here have problems with setting up their Novak Havok with the SC10???

My buddy just bought one, a 13.5 Havoc, and he CANNOT get it set-up to run quiet. Just makes horrible noises. And yes, the mesh is set properly. He said he researched it online and has found that several people seem to be lost with this problem with the Novak on SC10.... ?
He is going to return it tomorrow he said.

I may be looking towards LRP still, when the time comes.

I definitely think 8.5 will be waaaay more than I care to have, and I do like power, just don't need nearly that much with this truck I think...

 

[ShredSled]

alright, just got back from open practice at one of the LHS/local tracks...

After some tinkering my buddy finally got his Havoc set-up to his satisfaction, and he decided to keep it instead of return.
Anyway, he is also running regular 7.2v NIMH's on stock gearing with is 13.5... and I gotta say, it was quite laughable how EASILY I could run away from him in the straights with my complete stocker running 2S lipo! Everytime I would just look over at him and say, "hundred-fifty bucks, huh?".
haha... but, that got me wondering how his would perform with the same 2S lipo of about 30-35C or so...
There were about a dozen other people there with various set-ups on their SC trucks, and one guy with a Slash had the same Havoc 13.5 on 2S lipo, and I could keep up with him pretty good though, but aren't the slash's quite a bit heavier than the SC10?


Also kind of makes me think that getting a 17.5 brushless might be out of the question too, because after that, I can't see it being very good against even the stock reedy... Unless I can be reassured that it could be geared better, I won't waste my money on something that slow will just go with a 13.5 or 10.5.



...so... now after starting this thread about "which brushless", I might have to also start another thread about "what gear ratio with which set-up?"... has me wondering.

 

[Z-Fire]

My reedy 17 has more power than my 27's and 17.5's but not as much as my 19's or 13.5's. If your track's stock rules are 17.5 then gear high like 78/29 and use a lipo with alot of amps but if they alow 13.5 then go with that.
My local track's (4 of them) allow down to 13.5 but my local series (at the same 4 tracks) only allow down to 17.5 for stock so I own several of both.
As for the velineon and the mamba 5700 they are both about the same power as novak & lrp 5.5 not what you are looking for.
If you have the money go for the spx if not novak is good I have both.
I also have the AI not bad if you want to go cheap and if you don't need profiles and adjustment

 

[ShredSled]

My reedy 17 has more power than my 27's and 17.5's but not as much as my 19's or 13.5's. If your track's stock rules are 17.5 then gear high like 78/29 and use a lipo with alot of amps but if they alow 13.5 then go with that.
My local track's (4 of them) allow down to 13.5 but my local series (at the same 4 tracks) only allow down to 17.5 for stock so I own several of both.
As for the velineon and the mamba 5700 they are both about the same power as novak & lrp 5.5 not what you are looking for.
If you have the money go for the spx if not novak is good I have both.
I also have the AI not bad if you want to go cheap and if you don't need profiles and adjustment

Hey Z-Fire, thanks much for the detailed input response!
Yeah, I've narrowed down my search to a 13.5 or 17.5 (may end up with both in the end if my wallet can survive). As far as brand, not sure yet.
SPX stock spec does look like the one I want, but at the price of a full Havoc kit just for the ESC, I might have to pass...

I'm just curious, what do you gear your 13.5 at typically?

 

[Z-Fire]

I'm just curious, what do you gear your 13.5 at typically?

On a 60 to 64 Oz. T-4 I gear 78/25 on a large track or long staight.
78/21 for medium , 87/20 for small or technical.
My youngest boy has a heavy RTR T-4 with RPM wide bumper and stuff about 70 oz. (more like an SC10) geared 87/24 large , 87/21 med. 87/18 small
Theese are all off the top of my head do to the fact that we are in the series race right now and all have 17.5's in right now.

 

[domcharlton]

I'm looking at going to a brushless set-up for my SC10 in the near future, but for this project I DO NOT want a crazily overpowered system like it seems many go straight to.
Preferably looking for something that will be just slightly quicker than the stock set-up, but just more efficient and less maintenance. If possible (excuse my ignorance, I've never raced so I'm unsure of regulations), I'd even like it to be allowed in a few races... if you can understand what I'm saying...
Not looking to spend crazy amounts, but I have been drooling over that LRP system... what is it, the stock spec. or something, which has changeable profiles to go to stock settings up to faster settings.

Anyone have any input?

Also what "turn" motor should I go with?

Heres a link to the brushless system I'm getting in the UK but they sell it in the US aswell.

http://www.modelsport.co.uk/index.php?CallFunction=ShowSpecification&ItemID=31080