Centrifugal or not, that is the question.

[YZ400Man]

Do I dare mention at this point that there is no such thing as centrifugal force? What is felt as centrifugal force is actually just straight line inertia. It boils down to the clutch shoes moving because of a lack of centripetal force. Like everyone has said they will engage no matter what direction you have them in, but one way you will get a boost from the pins pushing the shoes against the bell harder once the clutch starts to grab.

 

[El Pirata]

The why do they call that gizmo the astronauts train in a centrifical machine.

 

[Error401]

It's a centrifuge.

Or the amazing passoutatron.

 

[Waste Land]

I offically suck, lol. I changed the subject from engine trouble to clutches to space programs.

 

[Error401]

These things happen sometimes. Good train wreck pic, haven't seen that one yet.

Zaang, any updates yet?

 

[SkyMaxx]

Originally posted by YZ400Man
Do I dare mention at this point that there is no such thing as centrifugal force? What is felt as centrifugal force is actually just straight line inertia. It boils down to the clutch shoes moving because of a lack of centripetal force. Like everyone has said they will engage no matter what direction you have them in, but one way you will get a boost from the pins pushing the shoes against the bell harder once the clutch starts to grab.

No, you shouldn't mention it. Centrifugal force is often labeled as a "fictitious" force and relabeled in the manner that you have. The reality of it is that it does exist as a force and your name for it is determined by either where you were educated or how much education you have.

You explanation with respect to centripetal force is nice.

 

[El Pirata]

Originally posted by Error401
It's a centrifuge.

Or the amazing passoutatron.

Picky picky!!

Originally posted by Waste Land
I offically suck, lol. I changed the subject from engine trouble to clutches to space programs.

I agree! Hey you said it not me.

 

[SkyMaxx]

Some of us call the thing a "Spin and Puke".

 

[Waste Land]

Lol El

 

[cbreaker]

Originally posted by SkyMaxx The reality of it is that it does exist as a force and your name for it is determined by either where you were educated or how much education you have.

So if I call it "the push stuff" then I guess I isn't very eradicated.

 

[SkyMaxx]

Originally posted by cbreaker


So if I call it "the push stuff" then I guess I isn't very eradicated.

I don't know. You might be very eradicated. But on the education side, perhaps you just chose to dumb it down.

 

[YZ400Man]

I am not going to jump up and down and scream that you are wrong about centrifugal force being a true force or not, but if it is then could you please show me a force diagram that would include it. My level of education is I have a Bachelor's degree in mathematics. I have taken college physics and dynamics. In all of this I have never seen where centrifugal (center fleeing) force actually exists. Hopefully I am not coming off as stubborn and close minded, if I am wrong I want to learn how it actually works.

 

[SkyMaxx]

I have a Bachelor's in Aerospace Engineering, and like you I am not going to argue the point. I'll see if I can dig up a force diagram for you. BTW, I was not saying that you are right or wrong. Just saying that there are a couple of schools of thought on the topic of Centrifugal Force (the one that says it is a force and the one that says it isn't). I don't fall into either category as it doesn't matter. Whatever you call it, the acceleration and mass thing can be explained mathematically and it can be described in a force diagram (regardless of the labels)

 

[YZ400Man]

Thanks for your reply and understanding that I wasn't trying to start something. The way I understand it is that it is easier to treat things like there is centrifugal force, but when you break it all down it is only a "perceived" (sp?) force. I guess maybe in a way we agree. Thanks again.

 

[SlingItX]

[OFF TOPIC]

YZ400Man-

I found this link while surfing around. Interesting and may explain a little better. They primarily state it's only found in rotating reference frames. And you are correct it is inertia when you cut right down to it.

Centrifugal Force

 

[SkyMaxx]

In my search for a force diagram to display for you, I stumbled upon this mathematical derivation of Centrifugal Force. It should be right up your alley as it uses vector calculus (if I had the time or inclination I could turn this into a force diagram, but at the moment I am feeling lazy).

http://observe.arc.nasa.gov/nasa/space/centrifugal/centrifugal6.html

SlingITX and I seem to have stumbled upon the same site. Here is the index for that site.
http://observe.arc.nasa.gov/nasa/space/centrifugal/centrifugal_index.html

Interesting that it talks about the fictitious nature of the force and then makes a compelling mathematical argument for its existance. Like I said, two schools of thought.

I'll say this:
1. Action and reaction (centripetal and centrifugal)
2. Inertia at work in both cases.
3. Gotta call it something.

From there, we get a label for this inertial reaction "force".

Either way, I am still trying to dig up a force diagram and may end up just drawing it up myself. Come on search engine, save me the trouble...

 

[YZ400Man]

Thanks Skymaxx and SlingITX. I don't know that my brain is functioning at a level that I want to try calculas yet this morning (I need more coffee to do that), but now I have a clearer understanding of what you are saying. I think we looking at, and saying the same thing just from a different perspective. That is one of the things I like about the boards is getting different views.

 

[flash183]

if we called it the "centrifugal effect" we would not be having this discussion. :nono:

 

[Error401]

non-linear double rotary swing the hell out clutch force thingy.

:flamer: :spam

is it lunchtime yet?

 

[GilBeQuick]

As long as my crank spins hard enough to make my clutch shoes grab hard onto my clutch bell, I'll call it a force that works.