anyone know....

[jetmechG550]

Maybe your friend can't drive. I raced a Revo for two years, and did quite well with it. Revo's are still very popular in the Production MT class. The suspension on a Revo is designed for racing and very similar to open wheel cars with the monocoque shocks setup.

 

[Elmerfudd]

Maybe your friend can't drive. I raced a Revo for two years, and did quite well with it. Revo's are still very popular in the Production MT class. The suspension on a Revo is designed for racing and very similar to open wheel cars with the monocoque shocks setup.

When you raced it, was it stock? Because this new Revo when you make sharp turns one of the wheels lifts real high off the ground.

The LST2 takes the ruff stuff a lot better, you can go full boar down a beat up dirt road with pot holes in it and it just sucks up the bumps, where as the Revo bounces so much it flips over when it is going at full speed. It just cannot take it.

Did you do any suspension upgrades or motor swaps to yours when you raced it? If so I would like to know so I can tell my friend. I am sure he will want to do it to his so he can keep up.

The only thing I know is what we can test with actual vehicles. Everyone talks so highly of the Revo and I just do not see it. Maybe because they haven't driven anything else? Or anything a true 1/8th scale?onder2:

 

[jetmechG550]

It was pretty much stock, RPM arms were no different than the stock. Had an OS .18 instead of the 2.5R. Single servo but I did change dif oils, shock oils and pretty much had Slayden's setup on it. If you dig through the revo forum here you'll probably find a lot of my posts.

 

[Elmerfudd]

Gottcha, maybe the engine helped out a lot. (for speed)

 

[olds97_lss]

The 3.3 is pretty comparable to the OS18TM. I ran with a guy that had the 3.3, but I had the FOC in mine, so mine was quicker for the most part.

I agree with you on the revo and handling though. If the terrain is rough, it hops all over the place. Especially if you have the suspension setup on the stiffer side to avoid hard bottoming out on big jumps.

After getting my aftershock built up to take punishment, I never drove the revo again... it just wasn't as fun. The LST platform reminds me of a buggy. Not "exactly" like a buggy, but it feels much more stable than almost anything I've owned or driven.

The only thing I've had that was nearly comparable for handling as an MT was a mammoth, which is more of a "truggy"... but it was HUGE and the aluminum was soft. I didn't have it real long.

 

[Elmerfudd]

The 3.3 is pretty comparable to the OS18TM. I ran with a guy that had the 3.3, but I had the FOC in mine, so mine was quicker for the most part.

I agree with you on the revo and handling though. If the terrain is rough, it hops all over the place. Especially if you have the suspension setup on the stiffer side to avoid hard bottoming out on big jumps.

After getting my aftershock built up to take punishment, I never drove the revo again... it just wasn't as fun. The LST platform reminds me of a buggy. Not "exactly" like a buggy, but it feels much more stable than almost anything I've owned or driven.

The only thing I've had that was nearly comparable for handling as an MT was a mammoth, which is more of a "truggy"... but it was HUGE and the aluminum was soft. I didn't have it real long.

I fully agree. The Revo just cannot take the bumps. Even if you leave it soft it jars it so bad it flops over. Then if you tighten the suspension it bounces. IMO I think people tend to have more Revo's because they are more inexpensive and look pretty cool.

 

[jetmechG550]

With a proper set up for racing, the Revo handles the rough just fine. There's a difference between racing and bashing and happy mediums for rough setups where you have to give and take between cornering and the rough

 

[jetmechG550]

Look, I'm not bashing you guys but the statements you are making is the complete opposite of what I have seen and personally experienced. There's also major differences in how something will perform if you just out goofing off or on a purpose built track. I've been racing off-road for a little while now and have personally run a revo for 2 years on the track, to say it can't handle rough conditions or it's not designed with a good handling suspension are just not true. As a matter of fact, the revo has won the last 3-4 RC Pro Series Finals and been the truck run by the RC Pro Finals winner in MT

 

[Elmerfudd]

I am not bashing either, but what scale are they in...1/8th? or 1/10th? I think they are considered an 1/8th right?

Plus have you ever driven a LST2? If not, you really should. We compared stock vs stock now mind you, not stock vs hopped up Revo. I am sure you can do a lot of mods on the LST2 that would make it even better.

I know a lot of the racers drive the Revo's, but the LST2 is kinda new right? I know the LST's have been around a while, but this is the second gen of it.

It is a proven fact by all of my friends and I that the stock RTR LST2 will beat a stock Revo by our testing. It is hard to convince us otherwise. Maybe you can find someone out there that has an LST2 and do a hands on comparison yourself?

 

[jetmechG550]

Production MT is a class in it's own it is not broken down by scale. It's defined by having a gear reduction transmission. Outside of that you can run big block or small block with the hitch being minimum weights and fuel tank capacity. The LST 2 has been out long enough that it did not win RC Pro finals or ROAR Offroad Fuel Truck Nats. I have no need to do a comparison as you will never ever see me wheel a mullet truck again, I'm not a fan of the class but hey it gets people into racing. I've seen guys beat PMT's with 1/10th scale's. All I'm saying is basing what you have said on just you little group of friend's isn't enough to make the kind of claims you are making. Now I will say a Revo isn't really a basher truck so trying to just to basher stuff with it, yeah it may not meet your expectations as a monster truck.

 

[Elmerfudd]

All I am saying is the LST2 beats the Revo stock vs stock. That would include on a track/bashing/jumping etc.

Other than that if the Revo has more hops ups to make it a great racer, then so be it. I'll believe that.

But this whole conversation we have been having has been about the fastest stock truck right? There was no mention of turning it into a racer right?

And what did you mean by a mullet truck?

 

[CharliesTheMan]

lol mullet truck. I'm gonna get a 1/10 scale mullet truck bumper sticker. Elmer I understand what your saying about the trucks out of the box, but to me it just doesn't seem like there's been enough data collected in a controlled expereiment to make such broad assumptions. I don't have either truck so I'm not prejudice either way. I don't have the money to buy all these trucks brand new, then break them in at the exact same time in the exact same weather, and do a vast arrangement of controlled experiments, etc... wish I did though cuz it would be a lot of money. I understand that your just talking about which truck is the fastest for playing around in fields I guess right out of the box, but I think that to say one truck is faster than the other would require experimenting and using the scientific process.

 

[Elmerfudd]

Ok, so why not say the same to Jem? He is not a scientist, Nor has he compared both in stock form. Just in race form.

I am just putting out my opinion, that's all, just like Jem is. I am not a consumer reporter, just the average Joe who has seen with his own eyes what happened. I am not prejudice either. If the Revo stomped on the LST2 I would have laughed at my friend who though his LST2 was the shiznit and would have given hella props to the Revo, but it just did not happen that way. I am not getting angry, just putting out a fact that I witnessed. That is all. Nothing more. If someone came down and bashed with us who had a stock Revo and whooped on us I would be giving out props online. Plus I would probably think about getting one, but the 2 Revo's that have been out bashing with us just could'nt hang. Sorry.

Tellya what, next time the guy with the newer Revo comes out, I will drive it against my friends LST2 and see if I can best him. Ok?

 

[CharliesTheMan]

Well it was directed to everyone that was commenting back and forth, and please know I didn't mean for it to sound like I was picking on you to bash on. Like I said, I'm don't have an opinion one way or the other. I'm glad that you posted this stuff because I've been considering getting an LST2 or a Revo, and I had about decided on the LST2 from what I've heard from several owners. I would love it if you or someone else that has run a lot with both trucks could post the strong points and weak points of both trucks so people could make a comparison. Also, next time yall take the trucks out I would love to see some videos of the trucks running together. There's just so many good trucks out there that it's really hard to choose just one. I'm wanting something that is more like a race truck and less like a MT, so thats why I was looking at these two.

 

[Elmerfudd]

Gottcha, thank you for your kind comment. All I was trying to do was help, thats all, not start a war. LOL.

Your on about making a video of them both, what a great idea!

Now there are some cons to getting a LST2, of course, like anything. The reverse is pretty useless, take it out. When it does flip there is really no protection other than the body.

 

[olds97_lss]

I kind of felt the same way about the revo compared to the LST* platform... Especially on a MX track. The LST* platform did far better than the revo running P2's, 40 weight oil, orange/tan springs, middle hole on RPM arms with a 18TM and 3.3 chassis. The revo also running much faster/stronger servos than stock and an after market pipe and running HPI dog bones tires.

My aftershock with stock servos, shocks, springs, engine, HPI polished pipe, losi zombie maxx tires ran ridiculously easier/better at the same track the same day. As did my buddies LST2 and another friends muggy. The revo handled about as good as another fellows 2.5 maxx did in pretty much stock form.

Out of all of them, the muggy was the most stable, but also most prone to damage. Then again... it's owner was trying to shoot for the moon off the jumps

I too didn't intend on starting a sparring match as to how good/bad the revo is overall. It's just been my experience compared to my aftershock.

Now... comparing the revo to the old 21 chassis savage however... the savage truly does drive like a brick. Especially when running 8 1/8 buggy shocks. Out of the muggy, LST2, aftershock, Savage, t-maxx 2.5, revo, jato, the muggy did the best, the savage did the worst as far as handling was concerned. The LST2/Aftershock were a close second to the muggy, but he could out run us in the corners. Revo and t-maxx 3rd. Jato 4th. Savage dead last.

Same track/day driving setups for all trucks:

Muggy hop ups - JP2 pipe
LST2 hop ups - none, bone stock
Aftershock - HPI pipe, 5/16" steel roll bar, RPM arms
Savage hop ups- OFNA 1/8 buggy shocks, SH 28, 645MG t/b and steering, HPI polished pipe, Twisted delrin buggy adapting towers, lunsford turnbuckles, buggy tank, traxxas chevron tires
T-maxx hop ups - None, even stock chevron tires
revo - 3.3 chassis, 18TM/Fantom pipe, P2 rockers, 40 weight oil, orange/tan springs, 985MG steering and t/b servo, HPI dog bones on maxx 2.5 rims, RPM arms, trinity aluminum rear skid, RPM axle carriers, FOC in trans
Jato - RPM arms, front turnbuckle brace, RPM front skid, Associate edge front tires on 2.2 rims, Losi red step pins on 2.2 rims rear, associated tuned pipe.

After further thought about it, the 3 1/10 scale trucks all just seemed too light for the track. They would all get out of hand very easily if they were attempted to be driven at the speeds we were driving the LST* and muggy at. The LST/AS/Muggy all just seemed to absorb the bumps/ruts, deep timing sections and massive jumps far better. Especially when pushed at higher speeds.