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I have a 24.7 and its great, keeps a tune and has all kinds of power. For the price you won't get a better engine imo.
 
I have an XTM 24.7 too, but I want to know about the XTM .18. Thanks!

Oh yeah, for a RS4 3 SS do I need a SG or Regular shaft??
 
i had teh xtm .18 in my x-cellerator... very torquey engine... decent top end also... over all a good engine... it would rip in a on-road car.
 
for the rs4 3ss you wil need a standart shaft crank. a sg shaft wil fit but with a lot of modifications. i wanted a team orion sg shaft type engine but needed many things to modify. with out mod's the sg crank WON'T fit :smoke: so go with a standart one.

iam running the hpi pro 12r Xs engine 1,35 hp. costs are 129 dollar. its very powerfull and very fast. and iam using the header from the pic you posted. so it would work .
 
i have an xtm .18 engine. i run it with a sirio big bore pipe, and this engine is very powerful...regardless of the 100$ price tag, i feel it has great power for a small block. very easy to break in and tune.

that header will work jsut fine. i had to purchase a fantom fr18 header so that i could use the sirio big bore pipe i had laying around with it. I've never ran any other pipe with the .18, but i feel as though it loves that sirio pipe, as the power low to top is great.
 
Thanks for all your input, I'll be ordering up my XTM .18 and that header tonight!! The .18 is available with or without a p/s, standard or sg shafts. So I'll get the P/S version with a standard shaft and the header and I'll have one hell of touring car!!(I hope)

Thanks again.
 
I have broken in three engines before, but all were without a temp gun. Now I have a temp gun and I'm wondering what temp should I stay below? I would think to try and stay below 200 is about right, what do you think??
 
From what I understand, you want to try to get to 200 in as few tanks as possible. Really run it rich through the first tank, then lean it to creep it's way up to 200. If your on tank 5 and haven't hit 200 yet, drive it around...

Actually, on all my engines, I hit 200 around tank 3 and kept it there. You want to have a normal running temp between 210 and 260 in most cases.

Just make sure to put the piston at BDC during the cool down periods between tanks.
 
So keep it under 200 until tank #3, and then keep it there for a few more tanks, and then I should be all set for normal running temps?

Thanks for your help, and yeah, I do know that your supposed to keep the piston at BDC while cooling.
 
dont !!! keeep it under 200.. it is to cold. an engine should NEVER be run too cold. keep it around 220 240f. that makes the sleeve expand correctly.
this way you wil keep compression for a longer time.
 
Ok, lemme get this straight:

The very first time I run the engine I should have the temps around 220? I thought during breakin you keep the engine very rich and cooler than normal running temps. I know you can use the heatcycle method, but for the idleing method HPI racings says to keeps the temps at 190 for breaking. I know they are different companies but I thought you should keep the engine rich and cool during breakin. For all the other engines I have broken in (3) I ran them very rich for about 3/4 of a quart, and then began to lean it out at the end of the quart. All three engines arwe still running fine, I just wanted to upgrade from the 12R SS. Anyway, so should I keep the temps low, around 190-200 or should I have it a little hotter, around 220-240 for breakin??
 
As your engine starts for the first time – the break-in process begins. For most ABC-type engines it’s the most critical period of
their useful lives … but few operators pay much attention to the details.
In the old days, engine break-in consisted of running the iron or aluminum piston (ringed or lapped) within a steel cylinder-sleeve,
very rich with lots of lube for hours and hours. This was intended to wear-in the engine’s rough spots, reduce friction, and
improve power and longevity. Owners of modern ABC-type engines also demand peak power and longevity. Fortunately, breakin
is an abbreviated process, requiring much less time. Improvements are largely the result of CNC (computer numerical control)
production machinery. These programmed robots make individual engine components that fit together almost perfectly – every
time! This results in very little if any rough spots to smooth out. Despite such accuracy, metal components (primarily the piston
and cylinder-sleeve) require heat-cycling to relieve the internal stresses due to their fabrication. Therefore, heat-cycling (breakin)
can be described as the process of heating and cooling the engine from it’s normal operating temperature (at WOT) to
ambient temperature – time after time – until it holds a peaked setting.
Here’s how to perform the job correctly:
1. Decide on a fuel (nitro and oil content). Your Fantom engine is designed to run best with at least 20% nitro, but no more
than 30% nitro content. If you like a more “drivable” engine, choose 20%; if you like a lot of horsepower choose 30%.
Whichever type you choose, use the same fuel for break-in and everyday operation – for the life of the engine. Don’t indulge
in the “fuel of the day” game – it only hastens the day when you will need a new piston and cylinder-sleeve set. Here’s why:
Increased nitromethane content in the fuel causes combustion chamber temperatures to rise. This is normal since nitro is the
primary power-producing ingredient in the fuel’s chemistry. As the temperature increases, so does the expansion of the piston
and cylinder-sleeve. As described previously, the chrome-plated sleeve is engineered to expand more than the aluminum alloy
piston – as controlled by the cooling ability of the cylinder head fins. With higher nitro content fuels (e.g., 30%), the piston to
cylinder-sleeve running-fit (clearance) is a bit larger than with lower nitro fuel blends – it’s the nature of the beast. Therefore, if
you start by using 30% nitro fuel at the beginning of your engine’s life – with its tight pinch fit when cold – It will produce the best
possible WOT performance characteristics, if you continue to use the same fuel for the life of the piston and sleeve.

If you change fuel – reduce the nitro content to say 20% - the engine will run good, but a bit of the pinch will wear away from
the top of the piston because lower cylinder temperatures equate to less expansion of the cylinder-sleeve. If you then decide to
switch back to the higher nitro fuel, the elevated temperature and expansion will produce greater piston clearance (due to its
previous wear using 20%); the elevated quantities of blow-by combustion gas will cause the engine to lose power.
These principles also hold true for oil content. By changing oil content, you may affect the temperature that the engine will run
at, which in turn will affect the piston / cylinder-sleeve clearance, as described above.
The moral of the story is: It’s best not to change fuel, once the break-in process has began, however, if you plan to switch fuels,
start with the highest nitro content and/or highest oil content and work your way down … never to return! Of course, there will
always be the individual that thinks the single fuel theory isn’t valid. After all, his engine runs faster with his latest switch to high
nitro content, until he meets-up with a single-fuel high nitro guy – who blows his doors off!
2. Start your engine following the starting procedures previously covered.
3. IMPORTANT: Once started, begin running your truck around immediately, as described in step 4 below.

Since it is a true ABC-type design (high silicon content aluminum alloy piston running inside a hard chromeplated
brass cylinder-sleeve), it should be brought-up to temperature as quickly as possible, allowing the sleeve to expand
enough to achieve optimal fit; otherwise, the piston will scrub the sleeve excessively, causing premature wear, loss of
compression, and diminished performance.
4. Here’s the tricky part: to the best of your ability, immediately begin dialing-in the high speed needle valve for maximum rpm
performance during the first tank of fuel. During this period, cycle the engine between WOT (full RPM) and idle in 5 to 10
second intervals, by making high speed passes, on the type surface you prefer to operate on – this will keep the piston and
cylinder-sleeve hot enough while the operator tweaks the needle during quick pit stops. A helper is very handy for this critical
operation! If the engine quits before the idle is set, that’s okay – just allow the engine to cool off – heat cycling is part of the
break-in process. Ideally, get the needle valves set for maximum performance and a reliable idle as quickly as possible

(see the Needle Settings section of your manual for more detailed information). If performed correctly, the engine should be
running near normal operating temperatures for the entire break-in process. Depending on the operating surface, outdoor
temperature, etc., your break-in temperature will range between 220º and 260º F. Following the above procedures, run the
engine for a complete tank of fuel – then shut it down. Allow the engine cool down COMPLETELY before re-starting.
5. Continue this process for about 4 tanks of fuel; this heat-cycles all the metal parts inside your engine.
IMPORTANT: Do not let the engine sit and idle for its break-in. The piston and cylinder-sleeve will not get hot enough to expand
properly, and the critical pinch-fit will disappear before you know it. In fact, we are more concerned about running an engine too
cool, rather than too hot!
 
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AC48 said:
So keep it under 200 until tank #3, and then keep it there for a few more tanks, and then I should be all set for normal running temps?

Thanks for your help, and yeah, I do know that your supposed to keep the piston at BDC while cooling.

All I know is that the engines I have broken in last quite a few gallons... except for 1, but that ones crank shaft broke.
 
Well, I always follow the engine break-in process given to me by the manufacturer. And in this case it calls for 1-minute of idleing, 2-3 min. of driving, and cool, repeat. Do this for 45 mins. of running time. Than is basiicvally what it says to do and I did this on my 24.7 and it runs great at about 1 gallon so far.

Anyway, heres the new mill!!

http://www.rcpics.net/img/35891

And here is question, is there supposed to be this much room inbetween the block and the flywheel?? The 12R SS didn't have this much room. It doesn't slip or anything, just wondering??

http://www.rcpics.net/img/35893
 
a lot of factory's stil handle the old fashion way brake in, in the manual.
top pro drivers break in the engine using the heat cycle method i posted.
if ya let your engine idle, the temps wil not get high enough and the piston will scrub the sleeve excessively. you will loose the pinche effect this way. and losing compression sooner then you would of have with the heat cycle method.

for abc engine's the break in is only neccesary for the sleeve to expand. if there isnt enough heat to let the sleeve expand, then the piston wil scrub the sleeve.

you can idle it but try to idle it high so the temps wil get over 220. i suggest you buy a temp meter. and before you start your engine warm it up with a heat gun. this way the engine is on its way to a correct temp. and when the engine doesn't start and you keep trying it, the piston wil scrub the sleeve also. this way you redduce the change of wearing it down.

its best you get it started right away and get it on temp as soon as possible

:cheers:
 
I have a temp gun, that's why I was asking what temps.

Anyway, do you know about the space inbetween the flywheel??? Should there be that much??
 
AC48 said:
Anyway, do you know about the space inbetween the flywheel??? Should there be that much??

umn i got like 3 mm of space between it.

you got a different engine then me, so i dont really know if that makes a different.
if the 2 speed pinion fits correctly on the spur gear then nothing is wrong. if this is not the case then maybe you should try to push the flywheel towards the engine with more force.
 
Yeah, it meshes fine. I just haven't ever seen that much space before, didn't want to ruin anything the first time out!

Thanks for yor help!
 
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