That's a story of it's own ,, Tekin ,, RX4 ELEMENT proof IROC 3100 , Wife does Quilting and goes on shop hops I go joke-ing-lee as hostage ,But one of the shops was in McCall Idaho,, Home of TEKIN racing , Made a phone call and stopped for a visit , Ty at TEKIN is a great young man and what a RC shop he has , I took a new KMS FS 480 servo winch with me and we did some trading ,,I had a great time ...