Redcat Earthquake 8e 2S electronics?

[biggman100]

I want to set up a Redcat Earthquake 8E to run strictly on 2S, so, my question is, which ESC would be best paired with a HW G2 3660 (either 3700 or 4000KV) motor? I'm trying not to go much more than $80 for just the ESC, and, so far, I have only actually looked at the HW WP 10BL120, HW Max10, and the SC8 RTR, most of which I found here;
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out!
$7.06 | HOBBYWING Waterproof 25A 50A 60A 80A 100A 120A 150A 160A 200A RTR Brushless ESC Speed Controller For 1/10 1/8 1/7 1/6 1/5 RC Car
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqNRMUo
For just bashing and beating on mainly in the snow and cold, which would you choose?

 

[DavidB1126]

10bl120 G2. The 3660 motor comes in a combo with that esc and would be best. But a max10 can also work.

Just got it with the 3652 for my rusty.

Not to mention the 10bl120 is a newer revision of the older max10 sct for half the price essentially.

 

[WickedFog]

I want to set up a Redcat Earthquake 8E to run strictly on 2S, so, my question is, which ESC would be best paired with a HW G2 3660 (either 3700 or 4000KV) motor? I'm trying not to go much more than $80 for just the ESC, and, so far, I have only actually looked at the HW WP 10BL120, HW Max10, and the SC8 RTR, most of which I found here;
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out!
$7.06 | HOBBYWING Waterproof 25A 50A 60A 80A 100A 120A 150A 160A 200A RTR Brushless ESC Speed Controller For 1/10 1/8 1/7 1/6 1/5 RC Car
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqNRMUo
For just bashing and beating on mainly in the snow and cold, which would you choose?

That's not $7.06 for the ESC. Your link was for the program card.

 

[biggman100]

That's not $7.06 for the ESC. Your link was for the program card.

I know. If you scroll over though, you will see the different ESC's they have (10BL60 all the way up to the 5BL-200). Most of them are in the under $50 range, at least, the ones I'm looking at are.
One is listed as a Max10 120A SCT RTR, but, I didn't think the Max10 SCT was 120A, but, I just used that link because it was the first one I came across that had the ones I'm considering.

 

[DavidB1126]

, I didn't think the Max10 SCT was 120A,

It was 120A. The new 10bl120 G2 WP is a new revision of the SCT.

Tell my anything about 10th scale hobbywing combos. I like them so much that I know all of them lol

 

[biggman100]

Tell my anything about 10th scale hobbywing combos. I like them so much that I know all of them lol

I have a friend that says that, because of all the different choices HW makes, he will stick with Castle. Me, I tend to be a creature of habit, so, for a long time, I ran the WP 10BL60 (at one time I had over 20 of them) in everything. This will only be, maybe, my 3RD or 4TH 120A (before I lost everything, I bought 4 of the Quickrun 10BL120's and waterproofed them myself), and only my second ever true 1/8TH scale, so I'm trying to make sure I do it at least in a way that is reliable, doesn't break the bank, and will work in the winter weather. The WP 10BL60 was extremely reliable, and durable, even when it was 40 degrees F, with 6 inches of snow on the ground, but I don't think it will work for this truck.

 

[biggman100]

This is one combo I looked at;
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out!
$25.61 | Hobbywing EZRUN MAX10 SCT 120A Brushless ESC + 3660 G2 4600KV / 4000KV / 3200KV Sensorless Motor shaft Kit for 1/10 RC Car Truck
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtA3X3E

In case it doesn't come through right, it's the one with the Max10 ESC and the 3660 4000KV. I do, however, have several used different 3650 and 3660 motors I bought at a swap meet (bought a box of HW, Surpass Hobby, and GoolRC motors). There are 15 total, but no ESC's.

 

[WickedFog]

That is just the motor. The motor and ESC are $120

 

[biggman100]

That is just the motor. The motor and ESC are $120
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Thank you for pointing that out. I have been looking at ESC's so much the last week, I'm losing my mind. I narrowed down, or thought I did, to two, but then realized, they are both listed as 120A Max10 SCT, but, have different labels, according to the pics, so now I'm trying to figure out what the actual difference is.

For instance, this one says 6V/7.4V BEC.

And, this one says 4A/Max 8A.

So, I am trying to figure out what is what. I know that one says RTR, so could that be what it is?

 

[WickedFog]

Thank you for pointing that out. I have been looking at ESC's so much the last week, I'm losing my mind. I narrowed down, or thought I did, to two, but then realized, they are both listed as 120A Max10 SCT, but, have different labels, according to the pics, so now I'm trying to figure out what the actual difference is.

For instance, this one says 6V/7.4V BEC.
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And, this one says 4A/Max 8A.
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So, I am trying to figure out what is what. I know that one says RTR, so could that be what it is?

@DavidB1126 is pretty up on the HW stuff. Maybe it's just a different version, or they changed the label. I assume they are both 7.4v capable as they both say 4A.

 

[biggman100]

@DavidB1126 is pretty up on the HW stuff. Maybe it's just a different version, or they changed the label. I assume they are both 7.4v capable as they both say 4A.

I wonder if it isn't just that one is HW direct, and one is an RTR version. A few years ago, I bought a Hobby King Quanam Vandal, that had a RTR HW 10BL50, and, the label and a couple of the settings were different than the HW direct 10BL50. I found the same issue with the 10BL60 that Redcat used to use, vs the HW direct 10BL60. The issue, so far, is that I can't find anyone that used the Max10 SCT as RTR, plus, I found a Max10 RTR that was listed as a 60A.

 

[DavidB1126]

Yes you are correct. The bottom picture is a OFFICIAL HW esc. The top one is a AliExpress rebranded / copy one.

Both BECs should be adjustable between 6v and 7.4v. that's mostly what the ezrun Max10 sensorless series are and the 10bl120 / 60 sensorless series are.

Something id like to point out is that the official HW esc and the rebranded one. The positive and negative leads are switched around.

That is just the motor. The motor and ESC are $120
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121 bucks for that combo? Pretty good imo. Got mine from HW direct right before they discontinued it for 145.

Wait a minute. They marked it down from 325?? Yea that was overpriced. Shoppers aren't saving 204 bucks. More like 24 bucks.

I found a Max10 RTR that was listed as a 60A.

Yes. That would be the rebranded version of this which is also discontinued by HW.

 

[biggman100]

Yes you are correct. The bottom picture is a OFFICIAL HW esc. The top one is a AliExpress rebranded / copy one.

Both BECs should be adjustable between 6v and 7.4v. that's mostly what the ezrun Max10 sensorless series are and the 10bl120 / 60 sensorless series are.

Something id like to point out is that the official HW esc and the rebranded one. The positive and negative leads are switched around.


121 bucks for that combo? Pretty good imo. Got mine from HW direct right before they discontinued it for 145.

Wait a minute. They marked it down from 325?? Yea that was overpriced. Shoppers aren't saving 204 bucks. More like 24 bucks.


Yes. That would be the rebranded version of this which is also discontinued by HW. View attachment 204358View attachment 204359

So, my next question then, since I really can't find it anywhere (I know you said the 10BL120 G2 is the updated Max10SCT), is, will the 10BL120 work with a 4000 to 5000KV in the Earthquake? I found the WP 10BL120 G2 for pretty much the same price as the Max10, so, if they are comparable, it would make sense to me to not get a discontinued ESC.

10bl120 G2. The 3660 motor comes in a combo with that esc and would be best. But a max10 can also work. View attachment 204258

Just got it with the 3652 for my rusty.

Not to mention the 10bl120 is a newer revision of the older max10 sct for half the price essentially.

I actually just realized you posted this. Sorry about that. Anyway, I bought the WP 10BL120 G2 and 3660 3700KV combo for my AE Pro4, but, so far, I haven't found a combo where the WP 10BL120 is paired with a 4000-5000KV 3660, which is what I am ultimately looking for for the Earthquake. I learned, mainly the hard way, to be careful what motor you pair with what ESC awhile ago.

 

[DavidB1126]

Should be able to pair up the ezrun SL g2 3660 4000kv motor to the 10bl120 G2. Bullet size is the same. Both are 4mm.

I'll check back in the few. I'll compare the manuals between the max10 sct and newer 10bl120 G2. What I do know on top of my head is that the 10bl120 G2 has a separate fan/program port as the max 10 is combined. And the 10bl120 G2 has electronic timing.
Edit: oh yea, the 10bl120 G2 and series of quickrun motors do not have a motor temp sensor.

Since your putting in a 10th scale higher kv motor into a 8th scale MT, id watch the temps and gear down if needed. Maybe even a fan/heatsink on the motor. I run the max10 sct / 3660 4000kv in my slash 2wd and stays cool for days. Although the 10bl120 g2 / 3652 4000kv in my rustler (same gearing as my slash) but with 2.8 truck tires, it gets hot but doesn't that hot to overheat

 

[biggman100]

Since your putting in a 10th scale higher kv motor into a 8th scale MT, id watch the temps and gear down if needed. Maybe even a fan/heatsink on the motor. I run the max10 sct / 3660 4000kv in my slash 2wd and stays cool for days. Although the 10bl120 g2 / 3652 4000kv in my rustler (same gearing as my slash) but with 2.8 truck tires, it gets hot but doesn't that hot to overheat

What motor would you recommend for it? I only chose that motor because I have had very good luck with it in my heavier Arrma 1/10TH scale builds, so, I figured it would work for this truck too. I want something with enough speed to throw snow, and make the bigger jumps I sometimes build out of snow piles.

 

[DavidB1126]

Differences from Max10 SCT and 10BL120. Official Hobbywing specs

Max10 SCT Ezrun:
- Punch levels 1 to 5
- Has motor rotation setting
- Fan/prg port combined
- 830amp peak current
- Can be programmed via set button
- Xt90 plug from factory (depends if you get HW brand or a rebranded)
- Can be programmed via set button, LED card or LCD G1/G2 cards

10BL120 G2 WP SL Quickrun:
- 760A peak current
- Xt60 from factory
- Fan and prg port are separate
- Does not have esc and motor temp cut off settings
- Punch levels 1 to 9
- Electronic timing
- Does not have motor rotation settings
- Cannot be programmed via set button
- Can be programmed via LED card or LCD G2 or G3 pro LCD card
- Has forward/reverse running modes
- Has neutral range settings
- Reverse force can go up to 100 percent

Due to the peak current id choose the max10. What do you think @WickedFog ? I seen a couple of my buddies run max10scts on 4s with a 3660 motors (idk what kv) in t Maxx / e maxx's.

What motor would you recommend for it? I only chose that motor because I have had very good luck with it in my heavier Arrma 1/10TH scale builds, so, I figured it would work for this truck too. I want something with enough speed to throw snow, and make the bigger jumps I sometimes build out of snow piles.

Most 8th scale cars use 42xx size motors on 4s/6s. The Traxxas Maxx uses a 540xl on 4s. But since your running 2s, I will say 3660 or 3665 size motors. But not sure on kv. @WickedFog knows more about the technical stuff

Edit: if you do choose a lower kv than what you were thinking (4000 to 5000), you can always adjust the gearing to get more top end speed if you like.

Another edit: since we did brought up something about 60 amp escs. In a 8th scale MT, I doubt one of those tiny things would suffice in that car. Just my thought.

What am I thinking. My uncle used a 5000kv 550 (Novak) in his sct with a 120a (HW V2.1) esc on 2s. Just very powerful fans and ideally could only run for 8 minutes on track before it gets toasty. Could work in your monster truck but if your looking for longer bashing times.... sorry for the long response. I talk alot.

 

[biggman100]

Differences from Max10 SCT and 10BL120. Official Hobbywing specs

Max10 SCT Ezrun:
- Punch levels 1 to 5
- Has motor rotation setting
- Fan/prg port combined
- 830amp peak current
- Can be programmed via set button
- Xt90 plug from factory (depends if you get HW brand or a rebranded)
- Can be programmed via set button, LED card or LCD G1/G2 cards

10BL120 G2 WP SL Quickrun:
- 760A peak current
- Xt60 from factory
- Fan and prg port are separate
- Does not have esc and motor temp cut off settings
- Punch levels 1 to 9
- Electronic timing
- Does not have motor rotation settings
- Cannot be programmed via set button
- Can be programmed via LED card or LCD G2 or G3 pro LCD card
- Has forward/reverse running modes
- Has neutral range settings
- Reverse force can go up to 100 percent

Due to the peak current id choose the max10. What do you think @WickedFog ? I seen a couple of my buddies run max10scts on 4s with a 3660 motors (idk what kv) in t Maxx / e maxx's.


Most 8th scale cars use 42xx size motors on 4s/6s. The Traxxas Maxx uses a 540xl on 4s. But since your running 2s, I will say 3660 or 3665 size motors. But not sure on kv. @WickedFog knows more about the technical stuff

Edit: if you do choose a lower kv than what you were thinking (4000 to 5000), you can always adjust the gearing to get more top end speed if you like.

Another edit: since we did brought up something about 60 amp escs. In a 8th scale MT, I doubt one of those tiny things would suffice in that car. Just my thought.

What am I thinking. My uncle used a 5000kv 550 (Novak) in his sct with a 120a (HW V2.1) esc on 2s. Just very powerful fans and ideally could only run for 8 minutes on track before it gets toasty. Could work in your monster truck but if your looking for longer bashing times.... sorry for the long response. I talk alot.

You're fine. I was leaning more towards the Max 10 anyway, especially after seeing a few combos with 3665 motors. Now I just need to come up with the funds, because I plan on buying 4 or 5 of them, just to have on hand for future projects.