Wow! Calmdown, I was just suggesting as Pan was comparing either RD's or MIP's, which makes me think he's thinking of getting a more cost effective set of shafts or not, that's why I mentioned Vantage, because they are of excellent quality, not near as expensive, and will also do the job just as well as MIP's for less money, you don't always get what you pay for, sometimes your paying for a brand name, I feel for the quality of MIP's, there too much. It might be different if he was running an OS 30 or something, so he doesn't need to overdue it. I have had problems with MIP stuff in the past too.