RCNT Video?

[Çh®i§tiªñ]

Well, my talent goes from the camcorder to the P.C. and then pretty much stops. My editing software is poop and I sure as hell am not spending the money needed to do it bightime. On the other hand, that raw video, combined with the audio tracks from the many of musicians I know, including my wifes band, sent to someone that can do the 'real deal' may be able to work.

I will however tell you, this idea is and has been kicked around a lot more than you may think.

Diver, we just may be talking my man.

As for now, we can distribute our vids for free. ImBroken is sending me the 'other half' of last years east coast bash. That combined with what I have is enough to make a 1 1/2 hour I'm certain. At least an hour of just crazy poop.

Error - you seem to be the master editor hehehe

I do however have all the hardware to create the vids, and fast at that.

 

[Error401]

I think a contest would be better. Say, quarterly, bi-annually or yearly. Set some limits, like max length, also require the username in the title and music credits at the end. Post them whenever, and a week or so before the judging nominate vids for the contest, or enter them yourself. Take the top 5 or 10 from the voting (winners) and get the original video files sent to one person to make the DVD. Then request disks at the cost of shipping and materials. Maybe award the "winners" with a set of RCNT decals or fuel line covers.

That way it gives folks something to work for (braggin rights and maybe some decals too. Also it would limit the ammount of videos you could fit onto a disk. 10 5 minute vids is nearly an hour at full DVD resolution (also dependant on original video quality).

Originally posted by Çh®i§tiªñ
My editing software is poop and I sure as hell am not spending the money needed to do it bightime.

As for now, we can distribute our vids for free. ImBroken is sending me the 'other half' of last years east coast bash. That combined with what I have is enough to make a 1 1/2 hour I'm certain. At least an hour of just crazy poop.

Error - you seem to be the master editor hehehe

I do however have all the hardware to create the vids, and fast at that.

The admin over at Slap Ma Fro used Windows Movie Maker for the longest time and made some awesome vids. iMovie for the Mac is pretty good too.

Thanks for the props.

If folks would send me some footage I could do a composit Team RCNT vid. I have asked in the past, but nooo. If anyone is interested in a Team RCNT vid and has some good footage in high quality format (preferably NTSC MOV, MPG2, MPG4, or AVI format), I can set up a temporary ftp on my site for upload. Some minor pre-editing would be appreciated (like making small vids of the best footage) PM me and I'll set it up. Right now I have 2 vids in the pipe (of this past weekend), but after that nothing is slated.

 

[4u2nv]

Originally posted by Whistlre
Bad news:
I would like to mention just allowing people to send in videos might not be the best idea. I realize everyone might have the right mind set behind this, but, there is always the chance that someone could send in movies of someone elses bashing. This would be a bad thing and could cause problems [/B]

I could help with that. I own a detail shop where I have a vinyl cutter. I could cut out the RCNT web address and have people put it on there car somewhere. Before they start to rip, just have the person taping zoom to that spot before they start. Then when editing they can edit that part out. I think thatd solve it. (I can also make some eman ass graphics!)

 

[Diver6127]

Originally posted by Error401
If folks would send me some footage I could do a composit Team RCNT vid. I have asked in the past, but nooo. If anyone is interested in a Team RCNT vid and has some good footage in high quality format (preferably NTSC MOV, MPG2, MPG4, or AVI format), I can set up a temporary ftp on my site for upload. Some minor pre-editing would be appreciated (like making small vids of the best footage) PM me and I'll set it up. Right now I have 2 vids in the pipe (of this past weekend), but after that nothing is slated.

Great, now I have a reason to take some footage. I'll probably have more reason once I get started o the Savage kit I will be purchasing. I've never tried transfering video from my video cam to the computer, but I do know that it can be done with this Sony Video cam via firewire or usb. Any tips on how to do it with the least amount of stress? I guess I'll be doing with the moviemaker program that cam with my laptop.

 

[lykan]

Getting the vid to the Computer is the biggest pain. Once you have that figured, it's cake. Just like photo editing software.

Try this link www.vcdhelp.com

lots of info on video editing there

*edit*

I would however like to see them sold for tiny bit of profit to help out RCNT tho, if it is at all possible.

 

[newnitrofan]

Hmmm this is a good but complicated idea but I like the overall concept. I have video editing software and a crapload of bandwith I need to use up so I can host some of this crap. LMK

 

[SkyMaxx]

I also have some fairly hefty video capabilities at home. I have the onsite storage capacity (terabytes) and the online storage capacity (gigabytes) for quite a bit. If Diver hooks us up, I also am less than 20 minutes from his cousin's company and have actually driven by it a couple of times (now I know what it is about...thanks for the link).

Between Error and I, we could bang out some pretty hardcore (not porn) stuff.

On top of that, I have some ins in the recording industry from the label perspective. I may be able to get the music situation handled.

For those that talked about downloading video from the web and running it to your own DVD, think in terms of gigabytes for a download that is of DV quality and viewable on a TV larger than a 300x200 image. A properly formatted video that will play with decent quality on your TV will take approximately 4.7GB of space (the size of one layer of a DVD).

 

[Error401]

That's kind of hat I was getting at. There's a couple of solutions to the editing/compiling problem.

First, if someone has the capability to do the editing and produce a polished vid, they'd have to print the DV file back to tape and mail it to whoever is doing the authoring, who would then dump the DV back to another computer. That brings up to a quirk I ran into last year. I have a SOny TVR-7000 handycam. It's a Digital 8 cam, but I ran into a situation where another D8 tape wouldn't play on it right, so there may (and I stress may) be a compatibilty issue. I don't know what format you have Sky.

Second, if someone had the capabilty to dump and chop video, but didn't want to do the editing, they could send smaller files in NTSC mov format with song requests. Then one of us can do up the edit and still have a decent quality to work with. This could be handles via ftp to a web server.

The authoring isn't that difficult, but iDVD is kind of limited on the menu config. Though I think FCP4 does prepress saves for DVD production (though that might be DVD ssstudio pro that does that).

 

[SkyMaxx]

I have a SONY Digital 8 camera. So far I have not had any problems running other digital 8 tapes in it.

The NTSC idea is great. Between us, Error, we have some serious vid capability. I do not doubt that we could handle this. As for the pressing of a DVD in a decent program, by the time we were ready with the video...I might actually have DVD Studio or something along those lines. Heck I might even have FC Pro to play with, but that is like a few months down the road.

 

[Diver6127]

Originally posted by SkyMaxx
If Diver hooks us up, I also am less than 20 minutes from his cousin's company and have actually driven by it a couple of times (now I know what it is about...thanks for the link).

All I need is the go signal so I can at least find out how busy he is. He is always out of town and sometimes abroad. I know that this april will be busy for him since he is going to be in the Philippines doing some mission work. I will shoot the idea by him if there is an agreement on what is needed. As far as music, that's not a problem for him. He writes his own music and scores.

Just let me know.

 

[Çh®i§tiªñ]

Musicians are some of the coolest people on earth mentally. Between my wife and a couple others I know, I can listen to everything from evil goth to soul blues.

As for the machine to dump it to DVD, I just might have what you need. I'm trying to get my hands on a dual layer now, but in the meantime I have over 300 GB of working space and all the built in processor and RAM power a home p.c. could need. Its one of the new Sony Vaio multimedia boxes. Its made for this purpose. Its just that the vid editing software is rather weak! But hey, I have my video from last year edited and it came out pretty good. High Quality DVD burns too! Both Sony Burners.

Too bad I didnt have someone around here to teach me the real tricks of the trade.

 

[lykan]

Hold on a sec... have'nt any of you heardd of VCD? I play DVD quality video out of a file that is just under 600 meg for a two hour video. It is more quality than any DVD player is capable of.

You wouldn't use it for the final cut, but you could definetaly use it in between for moving the vids back and forth.

Divx is another compression technique and even better in the quality aspect. 5.1/THX sound apabilites and full feature in 600 meg.

I just watched a full featured movie. Played from my computer (video out) It's defineatly higher quality than any video cam I have seen. 5.1 sound is a lot to play with for an editor as well.

When the final cut is finished burn it to DVD at the appopriate "borrowed" facility hehehe

 

[SkyMaxx]

I am very familiar with VCD, but many people do not play videos of the caliber we are talking about from their computer.

Most people might like to run this on their TV. I know that if I take the time to put something together and drop it on a disk, it had better be displayable on my TV (36" HDTV by SONY). It had also better be compatible with my player. Now, I have better than average toys to play things, and VCD is not beyond my capability. It might, however, be beyond what many have.

DivX is a nice techique at that, and not often used. Why? Not many people have it available in their editors to play with.

I'll look into what VCD can bring to the fight, but do not be surprised if your bright "idea" doesn't turn out to be so bright. As for quality, functionality, and many other of your comments when comparing VCD to DVD...I submit this. How many VCD players do you see out there? What is the current video standard and where is it going? Trust me it is not VCD.

 

[Çh®i§tiªñ]

Of course not. You have to convert VCD to a DVD. NTSC Pal Format with the American Standard Encoding right?

But for transport services, the vcd is the shizznizzle.

DVD X Copy and Any DVD both read the VCD volumes on standard published DVD's. Isnt this what you are talking about? Or did I lose the concept somewhere?

 

[Error401]

I have tried to burn VCD and SVCD disks. The problem, like Sky said, is compatibility. Most set top players can play VCD but only if the right mpg codec is used. Usuallly the right codec ends up looking slightly better than crap. Use the wrong codec and the player just says "no disk".

Another problem with VCD is a lack of a menu system. I think if you stack clips you can skip to the next vid, but it would end up being kind of cheesy coupled with the quality issue.

Mpg4 and divX are good codecs, but there's a compatibilty issue with set top players, and unless you buy a license for the divX codes, it'll watermark the video with a divX logo.

Originally posted by Çh®i§tiªñ
But for transport services, the vcd is the shizznizzle.

For transport, I'd use strait data disks, or print to tape. Tape being the best. Most editing programs have the capability to output the finished vid back to the camera via firewire.

 

[lykan]

Yup Çh®i§tiªñ. I didn't explain myself well enough.

For transport to and from the editors, I think it would be invaluable. Rather than moving around and storing 4-6 gig files for preview/edit, you could cut that to 400-600meg. When you are all done, just convert it to DVD format for distribution.

That way the bandiwdth impaired would be able to help in the process without mailing a dvd or waiting 3 days for d-load. You also wouldn't have to support 6 gig on a server with all the bandwidth demands. Like I said divx/vcd/svcd retains all the quality needed for a dvd.*edit* if your not trying to support set tops

You're right about the players, only about 25% support VCD or SVCD, and the Divx players (only 1 or two on the market) are screwed when divx releases a new codec. All the movie makers move to the new format, and the old players won't play them.

 

[SkyMaxx]

Good points and thanks for the clarification. Transport good, final product bad.

As for the speed of movement, I do not think that it is a huge issue. A project of this size is not going to be a short and fast project. We are talking on the order of months. It will take that long to gather the resources, get the permissions needed for the music, and then the editing/producing of the video itself is a time intensive bit of work.

As for the transport, sending VCD is a great idea. Moving short NTSC quality vids over the internet might work for those with the pipes to handle it. Final product...definitely going to have to be a DVD. In the end, it might have to be a set of DVDs in order to better service the ideas of selectable RC in the media...ie Buggy vids, MT vids, onroad vids, etc.

 

[Waste Land]

Damn there has been alot of post since last night....

 

[Error401]

Originally posted by SkyMaxx
As for the transport, sending VCD is a great idea. Moving short NTSC quality vids over the internet might work for those with the pipes to handle it. Final product...definitely going to have to be a DVD. In the end, it might have to be a set of DVDs in order to better service the ideas of selectable RC in the media...ie Buggy vids, MT vids, onroad vids, etc.

I might be wrong, since I gave up on VCD, but I think the VCD (mpg1) format does not do full NTSC resolution (702x408 I think). SVCD, I think doesn't either. Personally I'd rather have a couple data CD's with mov files to play with if the edit is going to be done by us. Or a tape if someone else does their own editing. For me and Sky, the software we use is geared to work directly with mov files. They will import other files, but they get their codecs converted on import. I also have the capability to capture video from VHS tapes, so that's another possibility that doesn't limit us to D8 tapes.

DivX might work, but that pesky logo might show up. I think it only pops up at the beginning and lasts for a few seconds. if that's the case, simply put a black leader before the vid and that can be chopped on our end.

Yes, this project will take months, but at least we're getting the concept hammered out now.

 

[Diver6127]

Well, as far as transporting my video, I'll most probably burn it onto a cd and send it in mov format or whatever format is desired. I don't have a dvd burner. That'll take a while for me to get. I don't have a use for it as of now.

If there is an ftp site to upload to, I would do it that way also. Whatever is prefered and readily available is my route.