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Ok I was think of getting the P3 to drop into my MGT but I found out that the Picco 26 is pretty much the same thing only it has 2000 less RPM. Now if I really want this I could just slap on a Turbo Head and pick up some turbo plugs and it will be the same if not more. Is this about right? And what do you think.
 
I bought a P3, and broke the con rod on tank 10.... I bought an Ofna Picco piston and sleeve, rod, and crank to replace the parts I broke. They looked identical, but it no longer turns the rpms it did before it blew up.

The sleeve looked identical, and so did the crank. Werks is sending me all new parts to replace the ones I already replaced on my own, so when those get here, I will take a closeer look.
 
I am curious because I am getting one soon and the output is the same but the RPMS is a few thousands less. For that amount of deviation I would rather spend on the Picco 26 then the Picco P3 . I will just buy the Turbo head and plugs.

Bill, since you are the only one here I n=know that has done this on the MGT, did you gear up for it to keep the wheels down?
 
John, my truck is geared 18/46, and it still does wheelies.

I bought a Nova aluminum clutch shoe kit for it, because it destroyed the stock clutch shoes in about a week.

The Nova shoes come with set screws to use as weights. There are 6 set screws, and I have all of them in my shoes.

This lowered the stall speed of the clutch enough to help "bog" the engine on take off.

Then, I took it apart, and did some work to the crank and back plate, and now it does wheelies even with the clutch set up like that.

I ordered a 20t cb from GPM today for my Picco. They have all the power you could ever use.

BTW, I have a digital tachometer on my truck, and my Picco .26 will turn 43,000 stock. It just doesn't make much power up there. Its all in at about 33,000. That is where I have my shift point set, using 18/46 gearing.
 
Bill,
Did the actual engine work help the performance of the MGT? I just ran against a Mammoth w/Picco 26 and on semi-hard and it did NO wheelies. It was hella fast though. I was impressed. I have seen the XTM24-7 and that thing is slow compared to the Picco 26. So after I get the Picco 26 I will get a Sirio 27. For now I am very interested in the Picco 26 with the purple head,

I know that I want the aluminum clutch shoes as I have also heard that stock shoes melt.

Now what about gearing? did you replace the gears that were not metal? What about slipper clutch? I hear about a Strobe slipper and I hear great things about it.

TTYL~ Jon
 
Jon,

Yes, the port work is noticable. I used to do port work on engines for people a couple years ago, but I quit doing it because of all the stupid e mails I would get from kids wanting to know if I would trade video games for port work, or they were saving up lunch money and would get back with me.......

I still get e mails from people that see my name in the porting article on Maxxskunkworks.com.

A dead stock Picco .26 has enough power to flip just about anything on its top. Unless the person tuning it has it all goofed up?

Tuning tip- Tune them to run as rich as possible, with out blubbering. Once you get them too lean on the low side, they quit making torque. Hot glow plugs are the ticket. I run the hottest plug I can run, and run my engines as rich as I can with out blubbering. The more fuel and oil you trap in the cyl, the more compression you will have. The more comression you have, the more toque your engine will make.

As for the rest of the chassis in my MGT, its all stock with the exception of the HPI steel pinion gear I installed in the tranny. The stock plastic 2 speed gear will not hold the power of a Picco .26.

Back when the XTM 24.7 engine came out, I bought one from my local hobby shop, brought it home, and took it apart. It was junk... total junk. So I put it on e bay, and sold it for more than I had in it. I never even put it in my truck. I didnt have to.

I have never owned a Sirio engine, but I remember when the Sirio .18 T Maxx engine came out, a buddy of mine bought one, and it wouldn't fall out of a tree. I took it apart, and I wasn't impressed at all with the crank in it. It obviously was never designed to make any power.... Just like the Megatech .16.

A word of caution- It won't matter how many ports are in the sleeve of an engine, if the crank won't allow enough air flow. The crank is the key to making power and RPM in these engines.

Case in point- The stock AE .21 that comes in an MGT. Stock out of the box, they run descent, but with the stock gearing, they will not do wheelies in an MGT, and they aren't known for an abundance of RPM

I have ported 2 AE .21 engines, that will stand a stock MGT straight on the bumper with the stock wheels, tires, and gearing.

On pavement with Imex foam tires, (1 3/4" X 5" tall) geared 18/46, it will consistantly pull 41 mph on 20%. My Picco .26 will only pull 38mph. The difference is, the Picco will max out in less than 50 feet.... But the 21 is still pulling more rpm at 100 feet away.

The Picco needs a 20 cb to run the same speed as the .21, even though the Picco makes more power.

The Venom speed meter, and digital tach I have are two of the best tuning tools I have ever owned.
 
Bill,

So you're telling me the Thunder tiger stock will beat the Picco 26 top speed? If that is so why even get it? I really want to get the Picco 26 to give me more speed and power. The wheelies are cool but the top speed is a must. How can the top speed not bring the truck faster than the stock mill? Could it be the gearing? Maybe a taller Spur and Pinion gear? What do you think I could do?

Thanks ~ Jon
 
A PORTED AE .21 will run right with a stock Picco .26 on top end, and in some cases outrun it. The only way a Picco will outrun the .21 is if you put a 20t cb on it. The Picco will pull away from a dead stop, IF you can keep the front wheels on the ground.

I have a 20t cb ordered, and I am waiting on a new one way bearing for my Picco so I can try it out this week.

My Picco now has a fully ported crank, sleeve, and modified back plate....

Jon, honestly, its pretty tought to beat a ported TTR .21. They are in my opinion, an exceptional engine when modified.
 
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Damn you BILL!! LOL I wish I knew how to port the engines like you did. Will you take on an apprentice? No Really. Well what about the SPUR GEAR? Shouldn't you use a tall gear to get it upto speed?
 
Jon, send me an engine, and I'll port it for free. All you need to do is pay for shipping.

check your pm's in a few
 
Same here Bill. :bow: We're not worthy! I learned a lot. Thanks a lot.
 
Originally posted by Bill Hoskinson
Jon, send me an engine, and I'll port it for free. All you need to do is pay for shipping.

check your pm's in a few

Can I change my name to Jon?
 
Ok but I will wait till after I get the picco 26 and play with that a while unless I find the P3 for a screaming price!!!
 
Jon, your engine shipped out today via USPS express mail. You should have it by 3pm on Saturday. Let me know how you like it.

PS... I have a tracking number for you also.

My e mail is [email protected]

-Bill
 
Hey guys,

Nice thread...yeah the Picco/Wasp .26 is a mean engine. If you look @ a dyno charts the torque curve drops right off in the middle. It's got tons of mid and low end torque. It's not a wimp on the top end but it's all a tradeoff and it was obviously designed to shine in the mid and low range. Sirio seems to like to build engines for brute top end power and I'm not to impressed wtih the mid range power on some of their .21 engines I've seen.

Bill - I got the opportunity to drive my buddies Mod'd Picco .26 in a Maxx, it had REDICULOUS power and especially on the low end. He was running like 20/76 gearing too..lol. I might end up getting an MGT in the near future. It would have been in AE's best intrest to ship it with a .25 (or larger) to begin with and they'd probably be c'ing more sales if they had. THe problme is that AE is in bed with Thunder Tiger and they made that engine specifically for UE for the MGT.

Peace
 
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