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Whitecat... there are DEFINITELY similarities, but do your research, they are NOT the same. ALL 1/8 buggies share a lot in common... bassically some have more flashy parts than the other and some have lay down servos ect. Visually from a very quick glance, they look a lot alike, that is very evident... but when you read up on what they both have to offer and the offical specs of them, you will see the differences. Besides, as you said yourself... it has a damn good radio and is at an unbeatable price. What is wrong with that? When you are not the "big kid" on the block, that is exactly what it takes to make a name for yourself.
 
Round of applause, another "mugen vs kyosho" thread.
I'll just stay out of that.

Originally posted by El Pirata
When the K-2 came out most owners liked their K-1 better. Now that the K-3 has come out which is way better than a K-2 it seems to reason that the MP 777 might very possibly classify itself into the category of the K-2 and not be that great of a buggy.
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I beg to differ.

I've been on the MP7.5 scene since 2001 or so, and that really does not sound right.

When the MP7.5 came out it was a quantum leap over the MP6, at least considering how little buggies are changing these days. Quite a big jump through anyones eyes.

When the original Kanai edition came out, it was the most expensive buggy on the market by a large margin. But for what? What did it have over the regular? full univerals... and a pair of LSD's that a large majority didn't like then anyway, quad brakes and some blue springs.

Over the regular 7.5 it wasn't a whole lot.

When the Kanai2 hit, it was a hit - because it had jumped to 3.5mm shafts, a change seriously worth noticing, all new frontend geometry with new upper arms, new hubs, new longer upper links all round, new brake disc design + material, 7075 towers (no, the K1 didn't have those) and plenty of other stuff to boot. A Kanai edition that was for the first time "worth" buying.

The Kanai3 was virtually the same platform, nothing changed, some shaved out A-arms, and longer rear shocks for a bit more droop. Milled chassis to save weight, and they got rid of two brakes. Once again, a "Kanai 1" style release. Not really worth it for anyone who had the last buggy. A mere running change to match the X5's weight loss.

The 777 is nothing groundbreaking, but still a new design with quite a few new parts and some new materials.

If there is any pattern forming here it is that the K1 and K3 were the "small" updates, ie just a running change here and there, some eye candy added, etc.

So I really don't know what you mean when you say the K3 is "way" better than the K2.
 
Originally posted by WA2FAST
Whitecat... there are DEFINITELY similarities, but do your research, they are NOT the same. ALL 1/8 buggies share a lot in common... bassically some have more flashy parts than the other and some have lay down servos ect. Visually from a very quick glance, they look a lot alike, that is very evident... but when you read up on what they both have to offer and the offical specs of them, you will see the differences. Besides, as you said yourself... it has a damn good radio and is at an unbeatable price. What is wrong with that? When you are not the "big kid" on the block, that is exactly what it takes to make a name for yourself.
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fair enough dudes. when I looked at the swift at the hobby store I was pretty shocked by the similarities between the two buggies, even the tires have the same tread pattern (mugen includes real prolines, though) I'll be the first to admit though that I did not look much depper than how it "looks" from the outside. but without a doubt the swift could be the best value in 1/8th scale today (radio is great, nice chassis layout, beefy shock towers, etc). I guess it kinda pisses me off how one company can sponge of another so easily. just like ofna did with the ld3, smartech with the magic wheel (stupid name, eh?), and now swift.

to answer your question, You wont go wrong with either buggy but the mugen will save you some money so its your call.
 
I hear ya whitecat... I hear ya. I guess it just shows you how much price gouging there really is with brand names. It kinda sucks, but it is nice that there are a few newer companies out there to sharpen the edge on competition... I think it will be a good thing overall anyway instead of having 2 main big dog companies. I understand your argument though... they *look* a ton alike, no doubt, but there are quite a few differences, both small and large alike. :cheers:
 
Originally posted by SunnyD
are the ofna's that bad? plan on getting a hyper 7 pro limited edition, comes with a hyper.21 mill, performance pipe and header.
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Hyper7's are great dude. Don't think you could go wrong.

:fro:
 
There were no real big differences between the K cars.. basically udates to an allready great car.. the K3, shaved some weight.. different front end geometry.. but still basically the same as the K2..

The 777, is not a total redesign.. lots of the same parts.. same designs.. just implementing some things that will make the buggy better.. when your buggy is that good.. thats all you gotta do.. no reason to update everything.. and end up losing what you allready got.. the 7.5 is still competative for the championships.. why hinder that and go with a total new design and possible start from square 1..
 
Originally posted by WA2FAST
I hear ya whitecat... I hear ya. I guess it just shows you how much price gouging there really is with brand names. It kinda sucks, but it is nice that there are a few newer companies out there to sharpen the edge on competition... I think it will be a good thing overall anyway instead of having 2 main big dog companies. I understand your argument though... they *look* a ton alike, no doubt, but there are quite a few differences, both small and large alike. :cheers:
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well put, I can see your better with words than I am
 
What I can say is I have not seen matching quality in plastics anywhere in the industry when compared to Kyosho and Mugen. Fit and quality is unexpalinable until you have put together one of their kits. The devil is in the details. And I think whoever said the Swift is the best bang for the buck in the buggy market hit it dead on. Nothing will get you as competitive for the same price imo.
 
well i have to say that a Kyosho k2 is the one that enter my garage and loving very much this new bugy
 
Originally posted by whitecat
fair enough dudes. when I looked at the swift at the hobby store I was pretty shocked by the similarities between the two buggies, even the tires have the same tread pattern (mugen includes real prolines, though) I'll be the first to admit though that I did not look much depper than how it "looks" from the outside. but without a doubt the swift could be the best value in 1/8th scale today (radio is great, nice chassis layout, beefy shock towers, etc). I guess it kinda pisses me off how one company can sponge of another so easily. just like ofna did with the ld3, smartech with the magic wheel (stupid name, eh?), and now swift.
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Mugen-Seiki and Kyosho are Japanese companies but engines aside, I seriously doubt much of the MBX5 and K-cars are actually manufactured in Japan.

You need to look past the branding and packaging (usually done by US/European companies) and look at how parts sourcing and commissioned engineering/manufacturing works in China/Taiwan and the relationships they have with the Western marketing companies.

Couple this with Intellectual Propery Rights issues, which are notoriusly hard to enforce in Chinese territories, and you will then be hardly surprised to see so many differently branded buggies with so many similarities.
 
Each and every Kyosho part I have bought so far, as well as the kit boxes themselves, have been labeled with a "made in japan" badge. Sorry to say that not ALL brands are made in taiwan, I guess a "yet" is in order there too though.

I would imagine that the same goes for Mugen, still japanese made and owned.

Please don't comment on what you know nothing of. As of now, from what I know, neither Kyosho or Mugen outsource to taiwan/china.

Though the swift might look the same as the Mugen, when it gets down to the nitty gritties, it probably wont BE the same. You just need to look closer, you'll see the differences :)

And probie - congratulations, the K2 is a lovely kit - I use, abuse, and love one. I'm sure the same'll go for you.

:fro:
 
Originally posted by uDi_MP7.5
Please don't comment on what you know nothing of. As of now, from what I know, neither Kyosho or Mugen outsource to taiwan/china.
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Damn dude! Easy killer! I don't think he meant anything negative by it... nor did he mean to offend you directly either I'm sure!:flamer:
 
Originally posted by uDi_MP7.5
Each and every Kyosho part I have bought so far, as well as the kit boxes themselves, have been labeled with a "made in japan" badge. Sorry to say that not ALL brands are made in taiwan, I guess a "yet" is in order there too though.
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OK, so the cardboard box is made in japan. What about the important bits inside the box? (only joking!)
 
Originally posted by uDi_MP7.5
Please don't comment on what you know nothing of. As of now, from what I know, neither Kyosho or Mugen outsource to taiwan/china.
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It was not my intention to profess to knowing anything, apologies if it came across that way.

What I did express was doubt about the home-produced content of Mugen and Kyosho products. That is an opinion to which I am entitled, not an assertion.

Would you care to share with us what you do know about Mugen and Kyosho's manufacturing and resourcing arrangements?
 
Originally posted by uDi_MP7.5
Each and every Kyosho part I have bought so far, as well as the kit boxes themselves, have been labeled with a "made in japan" badge. Sorry to say that not ALL brands are made in taiwan, I guess a "yet" is in order there too though.

I would imagine that the same goes for Mugen, still japanese made and owned.


:fro:
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Both my Mugen's were made in Japan, I only have the box for the MTX-3 but it does say it was made in Japan. I can post pics if anyone needs verification.

I know these are Mugen's 3 world wide locations, notice no Chinese address or Tiwan.

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Well if it's Japan or not I love this K2 I'm posting new thread with pictures !!!!
 

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