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Saw an Ad in the November issue of Radio Control Nitro magazine for a company called VantageRacing. I emailed them, & was told that they will be producing these pipes for 1/8th & 1/10th scale vehicles... Look for their website sometime in October... www.vantageracing.com

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Saw that too in a magazine recently but I just picked up a JP-2 pipe and throwing the JP-1 on to my Storm. I wonder if that thing will stand up to a little bruising or high temps.

Nice bling for the ride. More bling for me than need.

Jon
 
well its pretty, but there is a reason that motorcycle pipes are made of steel. a CF pipe just wont rebound the exhaust pulses as well.
 
I had carbon fiber system on my TL1000r suzuki My zx7 and my zx9 never had a single problem. stays cool to the touch and is really lite
 
well it will perform its function, however it just wont perform as well as steel. steel will reflect exhaust pulses stronger than carbon fiber, and even aluminum. titainium will work well too. and since we are talking 2 strokes here. reflected exhaust pulses are very important from a tuning standpoint to obtain maximum performance. your cabon fiber exhaust stayed cool to the touch and worked ok because 1 carbon fiber is not a good conductor of heat, and 2 while i dont know motorcycles those sound like 4 strokes to me, which are an entirely different beast when it comes to tuning. for a 2 stroke you want to retain heat in the pipe because it helps to draw heat out of the engine, everybody should agree that a cooler running engine is a plus. since the steel reflects pulses better it will make the backpulses in the motor push the fresh mixture back into the sleeve helping both power and fuel economy. I'm not trying to get in a huge debate here, just make people aware of why different materials are used, and the effect that they can have on performance. ill also add, that since i stated aluminum wasn't as good a choice as other materials, there are MANY different alloys of aluminum that will perform differently, and wall thickness also plays a large roll. aluminum is easy to work with and thats why a lot of very high quality pipes are made of it. the manufactures simply manipulate the alloy choice and wall thickness of the pipe to obtain charicteristics that arent that far off from a steel or titainium pipe.
 
I received an Email this morning from Vantage Racing. I believe he might have visited the site, & read these posts....
Here's the Email I received...

Just to give you more info. Our pipes are up to 40% lighter than the aluminum pipes, because of it's stiffness (which is harder than aluminum) the air flow will be faster as the pipe will not have an balloon effect (due to expansion of heat and softness). Our pipe will also withstand more then 5X the impact than the standard aluminum pipes.

If you should have any more questions, please feel free to contact us.
[email protected]
 
CorradoPsi said:
well it will perform its function, however it just wont perform as well as steel. steel will reflect exhaust pulses stronger than carbon fiber, and even aluminum. titainium will work well too. and since we are talking 2 strokes here. reflected exhaust pulses are very important from a tuning standpoint to obtain maximum performance. your cabon fiber exhaust stayed cool to the touch and worked ok because 1 carbon fiber is not a good conductor of heat, and 2 while i dont know motorcycles those sound like 4 strokes to me, which are an entirely different beast when it comes to tuning. for a 2 stroke you want to retain heat in the pipe because it helps to draw heat out of the engine, everybody should agree that a cooler running engine is a plus. since the steel reflects pulses better it will make the backpulses in the motor push the fresh mixture back into the sleeve helping both power and fuel economy. I'm not trying to get in a huge debate here, just make people aware of why different materials are used, and the effect that they can have on performance. ill also add, that since i stated aluminum wasn't as good a choice as other materials, there are MANY different alloys of aluminum that will perform differently, and wall thickness also plays a large roll. aluminum is easy to work with and thats why a lot of very high quality pipes are made of it. the manufactures simply manipulate the alloy choice and wall thickness of the pipe to obtain charicteristics that arent that far off from a steel or titainium pipe.

The carbon fibre cans that you see on motorcycles are typically on 4-strokes. 2-strokes have them too but in both cases the carbon fibre part is a re-packable silencer/muffler for the tailpipe section, after the critical tuned-length section on 2-strokes.

RB claim that resonance (and hence wall thickness) is an important factor in tuned pipe performance. Their 086 inline pipe is much more fragile than the OFNA 086 pipe due to much thinner walls. RB claim that their 086 may outperform other 086 pipes as the thinner walls resonate better.

In theory, a metal tuned pipe will detune as it heats up due to thermal expansion. In practice, an increase in tuned length of 2mm would reduce the peak torque rpm by only 100rpm or so for a dual stage pipe originally optimised for 30,000rpm.
 
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Honestly, I don't care if it offers much in the way of performance (ritters cf pipe for the maxx works pretty good from what I have read) the weight advantage and extra durability, plus the bling factor have me sold. I emailed them and complimented them on the various pipes they are offering, one for almost every class. They even are offering a pipe for the Revo! I want them to make a big block pipe for the revo...at the moment there is no acceptable pipe to mount in the stock configuration. If they make it I along with many others will buy it. Probably the best advertising they will ever get, revo's hot, big block revo is hotter!!!(until they provide a suitable exhaust for the big block to breath through) :jk:
 
I dont know if you people remember the carbon chasis Phase that everyone went through a wee while ago, these new lite chassis came on the market and everyone had to have one, notice how all the top buggies come out with alloy chassis again now, do you know why, because people started blowing motors left right and center, CF doesn't displace the heat so the motors were getting to hot, heat gets dispersed in a few ways, Cooling Head, Chassis, Fuel, And pipe so if you take the pipe out of it do you think that you might start cooking motors again, as pretty as these pipes are, is it worth cooking your motor, have you ever seen what happens to CF when you get snotted in the side, alluminium pipes pop out again with the help of freezing and screw drivers, once carbon gets squashed, its F**Ked. oh and do you honestly think that these people are the first to try a carbon fiber pipe AHHHH NOPE

Thanks Mike
 
Jeeze Mike, way to take the fun outta my pipe buying experience :jk: I guess we will have to wait and see. I will do more checking on the ritter cf pipe and report what people are finding in terms of temps and duribility.
 
I understand the chassis for heat dissapation, but I don't understand the pipe... the pipe is isolated from the engine with silicone couplers or seals, regardless if it's al or cf, it's not going to dissapate heat away from the engine.

The rest makes sense though...
 
Each to there own opinion i guess olds, you obviously still run the silicon coupler system and anyway i dont know if youve ever touched that coupler but geeeze it gets hot, its only a thought about carbon and what other people have found when using it, I brought a pipe fron a guy over here a while ago and had problems with heat transferre etc and the pipe didnt last to long, all I'm saying is dont be one of the test dumbies that blow up there engines, wait till you know for sure, anyway whats wrong with the traditional pipes, they work fine!!!!!
 
Yeah, I don't really care one way or another. I would never spend that much on a pipe anyway.

But if you think about heat transfer, the exhaust pipe isn't or header isn't transfering any engine heat since it's not directly connected, it's insulated with silicone gaskets or couplers.

The reason it's hot is due to the tempurature of the exhaust gas's and air traveling through it.

Like I said, I agree that the chassis and engine mounts help to dissapate heat, but the exhaust dissapates it's own heat only.

That's all I was trying to say.
 
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Why do you sound so pissed off? It's just another pipe take a deep breath and relax everything will be ok.
 
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