Can I get a lesson in tires?

[majin]

I've gone thru a few hundred in tires and can't seem to understand what I'm looking for or how to find it.
I'm typically crawling over dirt of some type be it soft and dry or wet and loose
So far I think the hyrax has been the best for this terrain but I'd love for someone to help me learn more.

 

[majin]

I'm using 3d printed inserts from exocaged rc in the front
And Amazon silicone inserts in the rear (their light blue if that matters)
My treads just get filled with dirt and I end up slipping rather than gripping
Or I'll get to a branch and they will just spin no matter how slow I go.
Am I just wanting something that's not makeable cause it's all driver error????

 

[TeknoJ]

Yea the magic tire, well @majin you have to just keep testing until you find that tire that matches your terrain best. List what you have right now and what you have tested

 

[majin]

Currently
JConcepts megalithics
Before these
JConcepts ruptures
Hobbypark knock off hyrax
A few sets of injora tires

 

[WickedFog]

Dude, we faced the exact same issue trying to climb that exact same stuff. It's what's left after the rain has washed some of the top layer of the clay out of the soil. It leaves behind loose sand, gravel, and dried vegetation.

We had a hill with looser stuff than you are dealing with, because it was just a pile of fill dirt the county piled in the field outside during road construction. The rain had washed most of the clay away about an inch into the pile.

We were using an SCX24 Deadbot in stock trim. It was harder for it to cope with that terrain than what you're dealing with in 1/10 scale. We tried to climb it. Anything above about a 40° angle, it just spun the tires and dug in.

We put Mudslinger tires on it. The Mudslingers have more of a flat, somewhat paddlesque (new word ) tread pattern.

They kinda acted like sand paddles, but built with rocks in mind. Plus they have a larger diameter and width. After we added them, she walked up it much better, in fact, all the way up, which was probably a 20' climb, at 45° or so in some places. That's now been built it into the Deadbox.

 

[majin]

Dude, we faced the exact same issue trying to climb that exact same stuff. It's what's left after the rain has washed some of the top layer of the clay out of the soil. It leaves behind loose sand, gravel, and dried vegetation.

We had a hill with looser stuff than you are dealing with, because it was just a pile of fill dirt the county piled in the field outside during road construction. The rain had washed most of the clay away about an inch into the pile.

We were using an SCX24 Deadbot in stock trim. It was harder for it to cope with that terrain than what you're dealing with in 1/10 scale. We tried to climb it. Anything above about a 40° angle, it just spun the tires and dug in.

We put Mudslinger tires on it. The Mudslingers have more of a flat, somewhat paddlesque (new word ) tread pattern.

They kinda acted like sand paddles, but built with rocks in mind. Plus they have a larger diameter and width. After we added them, she walked up it much better, in fact, all the way up, which was probably a 20' climb, at 45° or so in some places. That's now been built it into the Deadbox.

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Nice I like the look of those the tread looks like it will work much betterer than these megas
You described the issue perfectly bro!

 

[WickedFog]

Currently
JConcepts megalithics
Before these
JConcepts ruptures
Hobbypark knock off hyrax
A few sets of injora tires

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How did the JConcepts in the last pic do? They have what I would think is a tread pattern that works best, but an underaggressive lug size that just rolls the rocks under it. Try some RC4WD Mudslingers.

 

[MVRCA]

You need a tire like the USD Sticky. They are made for swampy conditions. If you're not crawling steep rock, then the Ebay knockoffs are a good choice.

https://www.ottsix.com/product-page/voodoo-klr-m-1-9-4-19-2-tires

Heck, I have a set of the Injora tires sitting here.

https://www.mojavevalleyrcadventures.com/injora-kraken-claw-mt.html

If you want them, I'll send them over to ya. Only cost you shipping. I'll put tape over the venting holes on the inside. They're terrible on rock, but they should be ok in mud.

 

[WickedFog]

You need a tire like the USD Sticky. They are made for swampy conditions. If you're not crawling steep rock, then the Ebay knockoffs are a good choice.

https://www.ottsix.com/product-page/voodoo-klr-m-1-9-4-19-2-tires

Heck, I have a set of the Injora tires sitting here.

https://www.mojavevalleyrcadventures.com/injora-kraken-claw-mt.html

If you want them, I'll send them over to ya. Only cost you shipping. I'll put tape over the venting holes on the inside. They're terrible on rock, but they should be ok in mud.

Those look a lot better than what he's been trying too. I think it takes that wide tread to get a bite in a wider strip of the loose stuff. I'm no expert, but a lot of the mini guys love the Slingers, and those you have are similar in some ways. Wide, tall lugs. So I bet they work good. Although the Mudslingers are good on rocks too, in 24th scale anyway. A dude here had a video of his SCX24 C10 climbing straight up a rock face almost as tall as the wheelbase of the truck. The front tires barely rolled over the edge when it was nearly 90° and it walked up the wall like a spider. One of the most impressive crawls I have seen to date in 24th scale. It didn't slip one bit. The old guys here will remember that video of the little truck named Taco, named for when it folded it's chassis rails in half and turned the truck into a taco But it had Mudslingers on it.

 

[majin]

You need a tire like the USD Sticky. They are made for swampy conditions. If you're not crawling steep rock, then the Ebay knockoffs are a good choice.

https://www.ottsix.com/product-page/voodoo-klr-m-1-9-4-19-2-tires

Heck, I have a set of the Injora tires sitting here.

https://www.mojavevalleyrcadventures.com/injora-kraken-claw-mt.html

If you want them, I'll send them over to ya. Only cost you shipping. I'll put tape over the venting holes on the inside. They're terrible on rock, but they should be ok in mud.

I've used them, i thought i listed them, they were ok, but not much different than the others

 

[Chubaka]

Dude, we faced the exact same issue trying to climb that exact same stuff. It's what's left after the rain has washed some of the top layer of the clay out of the soil. It leaves behind loose sand, gravel, and dried vegetation.

We had a hill with looser stuff than you are dealing with, because it was just a pile of fill dirt the county piled in the field outside during road construction. The rain had washed most of the clay away about an inch into the pile.

We were using an SCX24 Deadbot in stock trim. It was harder for it to cope with that terrain than what you're dealing with in 1/10 scale. We tried to climb it. Anything above about a 40° angle, it just spun the tires and dug in.

We put Mudslinger tires on it. The Mudslingers have more of a flat, somewhat paddlesque (new word ) tread pattern.

They kinda acted like sand paddles, but built with rocks in mind. Plus they have a larger diameter and width. After we added them, she walked up it much better, in fact, all the way up, which was probably a 20' climb, at 45° or so in some places. That's now been built it into the Deadbox.

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This is my next tire. Hoping the 2.2 xl fits.

@majin
Wheel speed helps with mud.

 

[WickedFog]

This is my next tire. Hoping the 2.2 xl fits.

@majin
Wheel speed helps with mud.

Yeah, maybe he thought we were talking about mudding, since I showed you a mud tire

 

[majin]

This is my next tire. Hoping the 2.2 xl fits.

@majin
Wheel speed helps with mud.

maybe I'm just tryna do it too slowly yeah?

 

[MVRCA]

maybe I'm just tryna do it too slowly yeah?

For that terrain, I would run an open-cell single stage foam, as firm as you can find, inside a USD tire, and have a sensored brushless motor to spin them up. Mash the throttle, and the mud will clear and something will catch. That's rock bouncer terrain there, exactly what the Axial Ryft was built for.

Soft crawler tires are just going to slip off, and soft foams only make it worse. You need to lock the lugs into the surface, and the inside of the tire needs support.

We built an Element Gatekeeper in this style for rock racing, and it handles soft, loose soil well. Castle Slate 2280 kv on 3s.

 

[majin]

For that terrain, I would run an open-cell single stage foam, as firm as you can find, inside a USD tire, and have a sensored brushless motor to spin them up. Mash the throttle, and the mud will clear and something will catch. That's rock bouncer terrain there, exactly what the Axial Ryft was built for.

Soft crawler tires are just going to slip off, and soft foams only make it worse. You need to lock the lugs into the surface, and the inside of the tire needs support.

We built an Element Gatekeeper in this style for rock racing, and it handles soft, loose soil well. Castle Slate 2280 kv on 3s.

I see I need to get on the foam game a little better makes perfect sense really
What does USD tire mean? (Working can't take time to Google it for many hours still lol
I'm hoping the motor for the wraith comes in soon so I can rip it up some of the hills yeah

 

[WickedFog]

Maybe these?
https://www.ottsix.com/product-page/2-2-usd-sticky-2-tires-foams-not-included

 

[MVRCA]

In this class of tires for the 1:1 world, there are three that matter:

TSL Swampers
Baja Pro X
USD Stickies

The Swampers were the first tire to be specifically designed for mud, roots, dirt, and just about any nasty condition thrown at them. Made by Interco, I think they now have about 5 variants of this tire. A fantastic tire with a well deserved reputation.

Next are the Mickey T. Baja Pro X tires. They are a bit more versatile, but still do exceedingly well in just about any nasty environment. In the 1:1 version they handle some technical rock better, but it's very much driver's preference. Motobuilt uses them almost exclusively on their Jeep builds.

Finally there are the USD Stickies. These are the "I don't care what it costs" kind of tire you find on $250k + rock bouncers. 40" and above are over $1000 per tire, but sweet mercy they glorious. They are massive, gnarly, absolute choppers of a tire. If you can afford them in the 1:1 world, that's what you get.

As for your situation, seeing that you are running a 1.9" rig, here is what I would look at:

1. Ottsix KLR/M ( This is a close copy of the 1:1 USD Sticky )
2. Pro-Line Racing Baja Pro X
3. Pro-Line Racing Super Swamper XL
4. JConcepts Tusk.

Sticky rubber compound is not as critical as tread design and tire RPM. You also might want to get your suspension as plush as possible and elevate your ride height. You want the suspension to really move rather than bouncing you off of the rocks at high RPM.

This is a photo of my 2.2" USD Stickies.

 

[Lostinthewoods86]

Something like this?

 

[MVRCA]

Yep. Baja Pro X.

 

[Willy0942]

Currently
JConcepts megalithics
Before these
JConcepts ruptures
Hobbypark knock off hyrax
A few sets of injora tires

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I run in some loose, wet terrain and find duratrax deepwoods do good for me. For my area they seem to be a good all around tire. But this subject on tires always points to drivers style and terrain. If you haven’t tried them, maybe worth a try.