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Well - if the recall happens in CA, it looks like these will be your choices. I have to say, that although i am a staunch democrat, i cannot stand gov davis. Now here comes the funny part. if i lived in cali, i would vote for arnold over bustamante. It seems that everything i am for, arnold is with me, even being a republican. He is against illegal alien civil rights. as am i, if they came to this country illegally, they should get nothing but a jail cell. He is for English being the only language in CA. I am also for this, while i speak 5 launguages, and Arnold himself is Swiss, this is America, and we speak english. Teaching a class in spanish at a public school just isnt right. He is anti death penalty, as am i. Although I hate to see the millions we spend on prisions in the US, no one, i mean no one ever has the right to take another human life, no matter how bad the crime was that he committed. He is also pro-abortion, as am i. I dont really care what someones attitude on abortion is, the fact is that its the women's body, and she should be able to choose what she wishes to do with it. All these points to ponder, and I dont even get to vote. damn! maybe i should move to CA for a few montsh just to have a say in this, lol.
 
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I hate this state sometimes...........................I still say its a circus and a waste of money, the election that is not Cali:)
 
Somehow eddy - I'm not suprised that u will be voting for her, lol.
 
It just goes to show you how fiddlesticked up the political issues are here in Ca.
We wonder why no one is taking this seriously.:ponder:
 
Eddy - That is probably the most interesting comment so far. Why is it, that everyone seems to have a self serving agenda. Think about it - as much as the people dislike Gov Davis, they were the ones that put him in office. The LAW states that he has 4 years to get the job done. Dont like his ideas? Tough! Deal with it. unless he does something illegal or against the political policy, and gets impeached, the people of CA need to just work with what they got. Then, they go crazy and try to recall the election, thats bad enough, but to compound it further, they go crazy with the candidates. If just the people that actually could do the job were nominated for candiacy, then this whole fiasco would have looked alot better to the general public. Now, the whole country just thinks the people in CA are a bunch of conceited morons.
 
I disagree with the entire recall process.
In fact, the Governor doesn't have a 4 year office, by law its only 6 months. We could in theory have elections every 6 months if needed, this id the legal time allowed between recalls.

YES WE ARE THE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE! We elected him.

In our society, I believe more so in CA, we want a quick fix for everything. can't sleep take a pill. Lose weight, take a pill, hungry, get fast food, don't like the choice you made in a spouse, get a quickie divorce.

Its a sign of the times. Dot it fast and move on. Deal with the consequences later.

NOT!

How long will it take before we learn?
You have heard me say this on the forum a hundred times,
Do it once and do it right.
 
Eddie thats called the FCN syndrome.

F= in Fed Ex time
C=at Costco prices
N= Nordstroms service
 
So if you're anti death penality but pro abortion, when does human life begin? What's wrong with teaching in Spanish. At least teaching children in Spanish will allow them to learn something rather that teaching them in a language that they only use at school cand their parents can't help them with their homework because they don't read or speak English well. What about the kids that are torn between two worlds?
 
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Eddy - alot of the do it fast, and worry later mentality you see today is directly related to the whole "Not my fault, its my brother's" idealogy of today's society. Once people start taking responsability for their own actions, instead of finding something/someone else to blame, we will start to sway away from the do it fast approach to life. Instead, what u see is constant blame from everyone to something that themselves have created. It is most obvious in the frivalous lawsuits that continue to erode society, but is also evident in everyday life. If people were just more willing to hone up to there own mistakes, then you wouldnt have issues like this recall to deal with, which, by the way, is just another 'not my fault ' agenda. Whew, with that diatribe, maybe i should run,lol.

Originally posted by El Pirata
So if you're anti death penality but pro abortion, when does human life begin? What's wrong with teaching in Spanish. At least teaching children in Spanish will allow them to learn something rather that teaching them in a language that they only use at school cand their parents can't help them with their homework because they don't read or speak English well. What about the kids that are torn between two worlds?
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My personal belief, is that life begins once it can self sustain itself for a brief period of time. A 2 month old fetus, if taken out of the womb, could not survive on its own. Again, this is my personal belief, and i have no intention on pressing it upon anyone else. As far as teaching in spanish, thats fine, let them, but they should not get a high school diploma. This is america, and we speak english as a primary language. Speaking spanish is just fine, but we communicate in a working environment as a nation in english, therfor, if u wish to have a document, stating that you are knowledgeable in general american education, you need to be able to speak english as well. I feel this way about citizenship too. You have to reside in the USA for 5 years to become a US citizen, with a few exceptions. I think that it is not unfair to expect someone to have a general working knowledge of the english language in that amount of time. Dont speak English after 5 years? No SSN!
 
So why not throw the ones who are born and need life support in the dumpster? Better yet the old folks who can no longer care for themselves let them fend for themselves die a horrible death?
 
sorry Eddy you know my spelling leaves much to be desired.

and you never called me last night. I waited by the phone all night and you stood me up bitch!:wedgie:
 
Originally posted by El Pirata
So why not throw the ones who are born and need life support in the dumpster? Better yet the old folks who can no longer care for themselves let them fend for themselves die a horrible death?
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Statements like these, are why the anti-abortion activists are losing in the courts. Instead of going off on a tirade, please make factual statements, and read my comments before responding. I stated "for a brief period of time" and am speaking in the term of say, 5 minutes. An elderly man can survive for that long on his own. Relating to life support, the baby is still living, no amount of life support will keep a 2 month old fetus alive out of the womb. Please, El P - I like you, and as i stated before, i dont wish to press my beliefs upon anyone here, nor do expect to be pressed against with your beliefs.
 
El,
This is the United States of America, not Latin America, Asia America, not Russia America, Africa America, not any other America other than the United States of America. Our official language is English and none other.

Before anyone gets on my case about not being sensitive to this issue I can assure you, you are absolutely wrong.

If people want to come legally to our country and reap its wonderful benefits, they need to learn to speak our language. Once they have a working knowledge of our written and spoken language, they can become constructive citizens. It shouldn't’t be our responsibility to teach them English. If they want to be here bad enough they will learn our language on their own before we let them in.

As for illegals, Get the hell out.
 
you guys are touching on way to big of an issue. I personally don't want to see this go any further but who am I. I would just hope that we could go back to election talk and not political issues like that one.:thumbdown

Viv speaks great English. I think Eddy not Eddie has a platform to stand on here since he married a foriener.
 
Originally posted by humboldtblazer

Viv speaks great English. I think Eddy not Eddie has a platform to stand on here since he married a foriener.
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Her desire to come to the US inspired her to learn our language and customs before she "Legally" came here on a visa and applied for citizenship. Just think how much better off we would be if everyone followed this example.
 
eddy - i couldnt have said it better myself. If someone wished to not learn the language, thats just fine, but they shouldnt be given any preferential treatment. Again, coming here and unable to speak? I'm okay with that, but you better be able to speak it well enough to support yourself before we grant citizenship. As far as illegals getting support in CA? Are you guys frigging nutz??? There should be no debate over this at all. If you are caught as an illegal alien, then you should be tried in our court system and sent to jail! after that you should be deported and never allowed to return here for the rest of your life. No matter how much wealth or knowledge an illegal brings to the USA, he is till a common criminal breaking the law.
 

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