100,000 Rocks

[El Pirata]

Originally posted by Roadrash13
Ok maybe this will help clear things up!

The numbering systems are different from different manufactures but its not as bad as it sounds..

Kyosho & GS silicone oils: 1,000 = Mugen & some others 10,000

" " 3,000 = " " 30,000

" " 5,000 = " " 50,000

" " 7,000 = " " 70,000

" " 10,000 = " " 100,000

Steve

SO what's Kyosho 100,000 in Mugen terms?

 

[SkyMaxx]

While the numbers look impressively huge...they all tranlate to the decimal system easily enough. Whatever thousands or millions of weight you have on the label, remove the zeros down to the tens place and you have an understandable weight.

For example the 3000 = 30000 comparison from above translates to 30wt oil/silicone. So Pirata your 100000 oil translates to 100wt oil/silicone.

Hope that helps.

 

[HumboldtBlazer]

Originally posted by GilBeQuick
I thought 3k-7k-1k was the standard? How does using 50k-100k-30k make the buggy drive/handle differently than the 3-7-1?

That is the standard for most blue groove tracks, you want to go up a little in weight as some tracks have more traction, that number is way high to me and I have seen nobody run that hight but FRB says some do. I would think that is more of a bashing weight I stick to this which is from the Storm Pro build on twf8.com (some of the best in the biz imo) http://www.twf8.ws/new/tech/car/gsracing/stormprobuild/step2/step2.html

Keep in mind CS and WT are very different measurements. CS is used in Europe and Japan while we call it weight or WT here in the good ol USofA. I will look for a refference scale on Cs vs. WT

Originally posted by SkyMaxx
While the numbers look impressively huge...they all tranlate to the decimal system easily enough. Whatever thousands or millions of weight you have on the label, remove the zeros down to the tens place and you have an understandable weight.

For example the 3000 = 30000 comparison from above translates to 30wt oil/silicone. So Pirata your 100000 oil translates to 100wt oil/silicone.

Hope that helps.

actually it's not as simple as removing a zero Sky, I will find the chart.

Here this will shed some light on the story.

For those of you just entering 1:8 scale racing. Just a little story about shock-fluids.

QUOTED"In the beginning of the 80's cars were equipped with small shock absorbers. The shock fluid used was normally a kind of transmission oil. These oils always changed in viscosity (thickness) during use and temperature. Therefore all kinds of products were tried. Even STP oil was used, you then had to warm up your shocks before racing with a hair dryer before you could use them. Fortunenatly silicone oil was introduced in the mid 80's. This type of oil has an better constant viscosity over a wider temperature range then other fluids but still is not stable. The thickness of the oil is officially rated in Centi Poise "Cps". An other known American rating is WEIGHT "WT". The thinner the oil (fluid) the lower the number, the ticker the oil the higher the number. For normal shock absorber use, this rate may vary between 100 Cs until 500 Cs. Nowadays we use O-ring sealed diffs, so we can use silicone oil in the diffs instead of thick grease. For diffs the rate may vary between 1.000 Cs (loose) up to even 500.000 Cs (very, very, stiff).

Some USA based companies are still using the "WT" rating, where Japanese and European companies use the better linear Centi Poise rating. A lot off people think that the ratings between the "WT" and "Cps" ratings are linear but this isn't the case. For shock absorber use, this is the comparison table when using LOSI, ASSOCIATED and SERPENT silicone oil rated in "WT"" ref here:http://www.twf8.ws/new/tech/tip/shock.html


100 Cps 10 WT
150 Cps 15 WT
200 Cps 20 WT
275 Cps 25 WT
350 Cps 30 WT
425 Cps 35 WT (notice here Sky)
500 Cps 40 WT

The 50 Cps steps between "Cps" rating are linear, where the 5 WT steps used in the "WT" rating are progressive compared to the real thickness of the oil.

The best way to measure fluid thickness or to say viscosity is to measure the flow of fluid itself in certain time trough a hole. Simple!

Diff oil is the same silicon oild as shock oil just a lot heavier stuff. Make sense?

 

[mcvickj]

GAH! Can't we all just stick with one standard.

 

[SkyMaxx]

Nicely explained 'Blazer. I stand corrected, but like my simpler explanation.

 

[HumboldtBlazer]

I know but you can see it varies at 425cps, just think of the difference between 100,000 cps and 10,000 WT as the difference increases as the numbers rise.

 

[El Pirata]

Originally posted by SkyMaxx
While the numbers look impressively huge...they all tranlate to the decimal system easily enough. Whatever thousands or millions of weight you have on the label, remove the zeros down to the tens place and you have an understandable weight.

For example the 3000 = 30000 comparison from above translates to 30wt oil/silicone. So Pirata your 100000 oil translates to 100wt oil/silicone.

Hope that helps.

If that's the case that's the thickest 100wt I've ever seen!

 

[Roadrash13]

Originally posted by SkyMaxx
While the numbers look impressively huge...they all tranlate to the decimal system easily enough. Whatever thousands or millions of weight you have on the label, remove the zeros down to the tens place and you have an understandable weight.

For example the 3000 = 30000 comparison from above translates to 30wt oil/silicone. So Pirata your 100000 oil translates to 100wt oil/silicone.

Hope that helps.

Thanks, thats what I was trying to say! I might have messed up the names, but it still translates the same. Its been awhile since I had any other brand than GS, so sorry if I confused anyone! My bad!! Keep in mind I'm just talking about diff. silicones.

Steve

 

[HumboldtBlazer]

Originally posted by Roadrash13


Thanks, thats what I was trying to say! I might have messed up the names, but it still translates the same. Its been awhile since I had any other brand than GS, so sorry if I confused anyone! My bad!!

Steve

it's too bad that is wrong..................................:bowned:

 

[Roadrash13]

My bad again, I'm gonna shut up now & leave it to those who know what they are talking about & no how to word it!

Steve :jet:

 

[cbreaker]

And know when to use proper grammar!

hehe just bustin' on ya man.

 

[Roadrash13]

U gies no wat ime takin about! leme aloan...hehehe

Steve