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All I can say is Holy poop, I can't believe they did that. F1 is that popular in the states and what happened today will do nothing to increase the fan base here. I heard all the chatter prior to from Race control and various teams but didn't think they would actually pull off the track after the formation lap. It's truly a disgrace to the 160,000+ fans that paid good money to go to the race as well as the thousands that came from Europe, South America, and Asia. Oh the Speed board is lit up over this one!

On a side note, at least Schumi ran and won! with a Ferrari 1-2 I might add.
 
UNfortunately I didn't get to watch it so I'm a bit foggy on the issue. But if I understand right, because of the tire issues in practice, almost all the teams pulled from the race, right? So there were only 6 (????) cars running for points? That's really grim. Really grim. I will certainly keep an eye on the news tonight (alas, I don't get Speed here. Hope ESPN is prepared). I did watch a significant amount of the 24 at LeMans. I love that stuff. It's a shame that road course racing in the US is having such a tough time. There are so many great things to watch. I do think this will have a dramatic effect on the credibility of the race. I think the promoters and FIA will probably suffer the brunt of it, but seems to me that the higherups at FIA (Bernie....) probably don't really give a crap.
 
wow, that's really poopy. I didn't hear about that. I've been trying to watch open wheel stuff lately to see if I can get into it or not (IRL and F1) but I don't think I'm diggin it very much, especially when they pull stunts like that. I wish touring car racing was more popular here. I love the European touring car championship and especially the DTM. Oh and don't forget Australian Supercars as well...
 
TC racing is about the only thing I stop and watch...I never get any F1 stuff....looks pretty cool though....rally racing is pretty cool too....I love gran tourismo 3 for the F1 and rally races......
 
When I heard the news I almost fell out of my chair. First of all, why they ran the Candian F1 GP and then the US F1 GP one week apart baffles me. Then, knowing the troubles of Michelin, why not add the chicane? So the Bernie Ecclestone story goes. He rescued F1 one which had dwindled to about 15% of it's popularity from the mid and late 70's, got F1 back to the U.S., but has managed to flub at every step since. Actually, about 2-3 seasons ago Michelin had issues with their tires and a number of racers could not race. Maybe Michelin needs to do some housecleaning in the engineering and management depts?

Schumi does not stand a chance of winning the championship this year, so for Ferrarri to win at this race makes it even more laughable. And just for the record, they give out points to the top 8 places now, so it really did not make a difference who raced, they all got points.

Too bad it was not raining. Michelin probably could have run their wet tires.
 
I kept hearing chatter on the team radios and race control that it was a design flaw. Speeds live feed read the letter the FIA sent to Michellin in response to adding the chicane and it basically told them to get their poop together and build a better tire. Stated in there that they brought four different tires, two wets, and one soft and one hard. They could have changed compounds at no penalty to any team, they were also willing to allow unlimited tire changes during the race at no penalty. Schumi was quoted as saying Bridgestone was aware of a problem with one of thier tires and opted not to bring it to the track for that very reason. Anyway, it just doesn't do much to draw new fans. I'm all for safety but really the Michellin incident is bullshit. Some are thinking this may bring the FIA closer to instituting a single tire manufacturer like in most other series. David Coultard gained some major points with me (I liked him anyway) by some of the comments he made on and off-air. Red Bull didn't have tire problems so he was pissed. He and Klein should have jumped in a did a lap or two to get those last two points paying positions.

This race actually did bring Ferrari and Schumi back into contention with there being 10 races left anything can happen and I think Scuderia was starting to get thier poop together. I've got all ticket stubs in the event there is some sort of refund, but I'm not holding my breath. I will say this though, having been to almost every country F1 runs and getting to know people and there in some of the countries they run this would have started a riot. Aside from a few morons throwing cans and bottles on the track, the crowd was pretty easy on the whole situation.
 
I guess the local newspaper got their info wrong or something cuz I read today that the FIA would not allow the teams to change tires before the start of the race. well anyways... to me the point is that Michilin stepped up and said they brought a bad tire. The FIA is so stuck in their ways that they wouldn't budge on their rules. Maybe I got it wrong cuz I don't follow F1 very closely but this is the impression I'm getting. Instead of making a few simple changes across the board they insisted sticking to their guns, resulting in a poor show for a shitload of true american F1 fans.

I definately agree with you about some of the drivers comments. Coulthard especially. I'm always impressed when these pro's can "be real" about situations instead of acting it up and moving on. However I thought Shumi's comments we're a bit dry for the circumstances.

F1 and the FIA should be feel ashamed for allowing such an event to occur. Unfortunately they won't step up and admit it like some of the sport real personalities. Kudos to those drivers! :thumbup:
 
Maybe I got it wrong cuz I don't follow F1 very closely but this is the impression I'm getting. Instead of making a few simple changes across the board they insisted sticking to their guns, resulting in a poor show for a shitload of true american F1 fans.
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This is goes to what jetmech and I were saying. I think they tanked their chance at getting more F1 support in the States.

And it is so true that the F1 drivers are true professionals on and off the track. Coulthard really always has had the gift of press gab, so it is a natural that he spoke so well as to the subject. (heck, he flies his own heli!)

Schumi reallly is probably one of the most reserved players out their, next to Kimi.
 
Germans and Finns are very unemotional people so it's hard to get a read on them. Funny Derek Daly (who I can't stand, he's like the Ken Squire of open wheel racing) reffered to Kimi's nickname being the iceman cause he's so cool on the track. Ha wrong, it's becuase he shows absolutely no excitement even when he wins a race. Hobbs and Matchett are always getting on the guy in post race interviews... "Show some emotion Mate, you just won the damn race!" FIA stuck to their guns cause they had no choice, had Bridgestone brought a bad tire and wanted the track changed or something everyone else would have said too frickin bad especially because Ferrari is the only team running Bridgestone's that is consistantly in the money. I'm lucky enough to live here and only be a short 15 minute ride from the track (even on race day with the right pass) but the people I feel for is the thousands in attendance that came from out of the country. I was surrounded by a mass of Columbians and Brasilians, most of which left after the third lap. It's a shame for sure!

Hey RevoRancher, next time I'm in LA we'll have to meet up or something for a "soda" or something.
 
"Soda" or something, got it! Code for (?)....

I just happen to be first generation American from East German parents. Trust me, we can gab among ourselves, but nothing leaves our family for the outside to hear.

F1 needs to get a more easy to understand set of rules and regulations. All my F1 friends have vowed to ditch F1 for one season in protest if this continues.


Jet, funny you mentioned Monte Carlo (Monaco). One of my best F1 buddies planned his honeymoon around that GP. His wife is also a huge F1 fan. They have back two more times since.
 
jetmechG550 said:
FIA stuck to their guns cause they had no choice, had Bridgestone brought a bad tire and wanted the track changed or something everyone else would have said too frickin bad especially because Ferrari is the only team running Bridgestone's that is consistantly in the money.
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Not true, a couple of years ago Bridgestone brought the wrong rain tyres to the Brazil GP, the Michelins were fine. The 1st 5-10 laps were run behind the safety car to clear the water from the track because the BRIDGESTONE shod Ferrari's were unable to stay on the road at any great speed. Didn't hear Mosley telling them to "go slower round the corners" then. Ferrari get more breaks from the FIA than any other team.

Ferrari WERE NOT the cause of the problem at the USGP, Michelin were BUT Ferrari and the FIA stopped a very simple solution to that problem and deprived everyone of a race purely because of their obsession with self interest.

The FIA has made some incredibly bad decisions in recent years, this being the worst.

F1 is shamed just when it was beginning to "break" America.

Blame Michelin for the problem.
Blame the FIA and Ferrari for the failure to use a ridiculously easy solution.
 
I thought the incident in Brazil was because the FIA limited which wets the teams could bring, which has since changed from one set to two? Ferrari is not to blame for anything, the FIA said they would not sanction the race if a chicane was added, then no points cause it would not be an official race. I agree the FIA, Max and Eclestone have made numerous bonehead moves over the years, and I agree with the theory that Bernie is a crook that has yet to get caught but the only blame should be placed on Michelin. They fiddlesticked up, brought the wrong equipment and were given other options, now they should be the ones to refund the millions of dollars back to every damn person in the stands on sunday.
 
I thought the incident in Brazil was because the FIA limited which wets the teams could bring, which has since changed from one set to two? Ferrari is not to blame for anything, the FIA said they would not sanction the race if a chicane was added, then no points cause it would not be an official race. I agree the FIA, Max and Eclestone have made numerous bonehead moves over the years, and I agree with the theory that Bernie is a crook that has yet to get caught but the only blame should be placed on Michelin. They fiddlesticked up, brought the wrong equipment and were given other options, now they should be the ones to refund the millions of dollars back to every damn person in the stands on sunday.
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Jetmech, ditto on every point in this quote. Dinner on me at Lone Star! We have a LOT to discuss!
 
Sounds good to me! My next trip out there might be a little scattered but I'm usually out there once or twice a month.
 
jetmechG550 said:
I thought the incident in Brazil was because the FIA limited which wets the teams could bring, which has since changed from one set to two?
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Yes true but they still had the wrong tyres, the weather reports were suggesting huge amounts of rain and Interlagos has a history of standing water, they had plenty of notice. B'Stone still called it wrong, the Michelin runners were far better equiped, yet the FIA bent the rules to benefit the B'stones by running behind the safety car rather than saying "go slower then" which is what they did at Indy. If Ferrari had indicated when it was suggested by the FIA (and not directly asked, there is a difference) to put in a chicane that they agree to it, the race would have happened and they would probably have got whipped by the McLarens, Renaults, Williams and possibly BAR.

As it happens they said no and got a 1-2 finish over the 4 slowest cars on the grid and 160,000 p1ssed off Americans in the stands. It was Michelins fault for the problem and the FIA's and Ferraris for the failure to find a solution.

Don't forget under the terms of the Concord agreement, if all the teams agree on something (which is rare!) they can do what the hell they like, which includes track revisions. 9 out of 10 agreed to a chicane........


I feel everyone in the stands should get at least a partial refund (there is other racing going on on the day is there not? There is in Europe.) and a big discount for next year if there is one, provided by Michelin and the FIA.
 

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