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Error401

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Well, I was at the LHS today just hanging out with some buddies. I got some of the New Era HD springs for my savage, as well as picking up the Mugen 3 shoe clutch kit I had on order. Anyway, I finally asked one of the guys about the TT EK4-S2 that was in the used for sale counter, and they said that it was indeed for sale, ~ 350 to 400, but the engine never would run right (that's why it was for sale). The guy that was selling it was the second owner and possibly the third. So I pulled it out of the case, sensing a decent deal and noticed that it was (aparently) in near mint condition. No serious dings, hardly any sign of dirt (or even use). I was informed that the condition was due to the engine not running and thus ya can't get it dirty if it don't run. I was also informed that the seller wanted someone there to try and get the engine running so that he could sell it. I thought what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

The first thing I did was attempt to turn the engine over by hand using the flywheel. The TT-70 uses a starter shaft kind of like the roto start on the savage, but it doesn't have any gearing (just a hex cup direct drive to the crank). It felt awful easy to turn, then it just stopped. I tried to turn it the other way, and the same thing happened. Fred (my buddy) sensed the same thought and I went for the hex drivers. The head bolts were insanely tight, but I got the off and this is the first thing we saw.

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Then it was decided to pull the engine and inspect the lower end. Taking the header off was a pain since it was held on with bolts and not a header spring. Also, the mounting bolts were insanely tight, but the finally cooperated and the engine was soon free. The backplate didn't give us much trouble and it too was soon off and these next pix are what we found:

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It's a damn shame that some people will just sit there and gring away on the starter thinking that maybe, just maybe it will start. The left rear drive bone was worn by the starter shaft (I seriously think that it would break right off the bat if any power is applied to it). This damage was not from the mill eating itself on a lean run, this is from trying to start it. Needless to say, that mill is done for, shot, busted, royally F'd. I told Fred I'd give the guy 200 max for the rolling chassis, but that's about it, and it would need a new motor.

Another reason that a PS is better than a grinder.
 
wow. that l0oks wors than the time i snapped a rod at w0t.
 
Hey Error, I was really thinking about geting an EK4. If you pick it up for the $200 & want to unload it for a few bucks more, let me know...
 
:OMG: I can't believe those pics. Why didn't the hobby shop inspect the RC before trying to resell it? There is no conrod!! It should have been pretty easy to realize the engine wasn't turning over.
 
This isn't about starter problem but it still pertains to stupidity.My freind refused to listem to me about his engine running to lean and just kept driving it that way and this is what happened to his two week old MegaTech .18


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Originally posted by ImBroken
Hey Error, I was really thinking about geting an EK4. If you pick it up for the $200 & want to unload it for a few bucks more, let me know...

I'll see what happens, but from what they said at the shop, the guy really wants alot more that that for the whole thing. If he does drop the price, I'll let ya know.

Originally posted by mcvickj
I can't believe those pics. Why didn't the hobby shop inspect the RC before trying to resell it? There is no conrod!! It should have been pretty easy to realize the engine wasn't turning over.

The biggest reason was that the guy didn't leave the starter shaft at the shop, and just about 95% of the time, the used stuff that is there is in pretty good shape (maybe the mill is worn out, but not destroyed). Also, the used stuff that does look rough is "inspected" first, but this one looks new except for the wear on the dogbone. I just can't believe that the guy didn't say something about the engine not turning over anymore, and the horrible noise it must have made when the rod went south. I was standing there looking in that pit-o-destruction and said "I gotta take a pic of this." The guys at the shop were like "holy crap" when they saw it.

Funny thing is, I bet the guy is gonna cry BS and say that someone at the shop destroyed it. But that's not gonna fly since there was no way to start it with him having the starter shaft. We left the parts in a zp lock body bag for the guy, no sense in putting it back together.

Rex - those pix are classic. The very definition of a thrown rod. And yes, it is unfortunate that some folks have to learn the hard way. Condolences to a mill taken before it's time.
 
error401, that looks just about how my traxxas .15 did when i broke my connecting rod. it ran fine for quite a while than one day i was trying to start it (pull start) and it fired up then just clicked and stopped. flywheel spun about 3/4 turn and stopped, 3/4 turn the other way then stopped. i took it apart and kept the piston and what was left of the connecting rod. i drilled a hole in it and i have it on my keychain now, the rest of the engine is in a box in my room somewhere.
 
Eh, r/c cars...especially nitro aren't for everyone.

I hope that guy doesn't try to ask what he's asking for after he finds out the results of his stupidity.

If he's smart he'll take your $200 offer. It looks like as long as it's just the piston, sleave and conrod are the only ones damaged, then all you'll need is a rebuild and you'd be good to go!

off topic: everytime I see buggy posts, it makes me want to get a damn buggy! I need to win the RCNT Lottery or i'm gonna go broke.
 
I think the whle engine is a write off. There was aluminum dust and paste in the crank area, the 1 way and backplate felt like it was toast, the pistong was probably warped, the sleve shows heat damage (look at the 1st pic again), and I wouldn't trust the bearings with all the free floating aluminum that was in there. Mayby the case would be salvageable, but there was something difinately wrong with the carb (never would run right). The carb might be fixed, but all in all, I'd get a whole new engine, and a left rear DB. But for all that plus the 200 (if the guy takes that), it'd almost be what a new one would be, maybe.
 
Well if you do get it, send the engine my way...i'll pay for shipping.

would that fit in a savage?...lol
 
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