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MrClean said:
Get the tazer out Alpine!!
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You mean like the cops that just killed a guy who obviously had medical problems here in NY when they tazered him 3 times while he was standing on a fire escape as he fell to his death, in front of his mother who had called the police to help him. Way to help NYPD, I hope they lock those cops up! :angry:
 
NCNitro said:
You mean like the cops that just killed a guy who obviously had medical problems here in NY when they tazered him 3 times while he was standing on a fire escape as he fell to his death, in front of his mother who had called the police to help him. Way to help NYPD, I hope they lock those cops up! :angry:
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Yeah, as long as neither of you are standing on a fire escape, that way you won't have far to fall. :p:

I read that story earlier today on Yahoo (I think). Seems like some officers use those things without even thinking twice, since it's a 'non-lethal' way to subdue a person.
 
MrClean said:
Yeah, as long as neither of you are standing on a fire escape, that way you won't have far to fall. :p:
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LMAOTG!

MrClean said:
I read that story earlier today on Yahoo (I think). Seems like some officers use those things without even thinking twice, since it's a 'non-lethal' way to subdue a person.
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When someone is killed because of a tazer, it is no longer "non-lethal".
 
NCNitro said:
When someone is killed because of a tazer, it is no longer "non-lethal".
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Yeah, that's why I put quotes around it. Seriously though, a guy on a fire escape, you know the taser is going to cause him to drop and I would think that the officers would have thought that as well. Oh well, off-topic now so I'll shuddup.:hehe:
 
I posted this thread to discuss the use of tasers after a recent story in New York. Didnt wana jack charles' thread so ill put my response here.

First off, there has never been a death caused directly by a taser, if used properly, it is one of the best functioning tools that modern law enforcement has today. It enables us to safely "take-down" a violent offender. I have been hit with it, as well as all officers in my department. It is also not called a non-lethal, its is called a Less Lethal means of force. Just like the rubber bullet, tear gas, and pepper spray. I got blasted with pepper spray in police academy, and almost died, due to a serious allergic reaction to capscum, the main burning ingredient in spray.
So all in all, I leave the choice up to you america, (actually louisiana, due to that is my jurrisdiction), would you rather take a hollow-point .45, which is this big:
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(===========)and have maybe a 15% chance of living, ( i dont miss )
or get the shock of your life that will wear off in 5 seconds, and have a 99.999% chance of living, unless you are on a fireescape hanging over the edge?
 
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Knowing how a tazer works, the NY cops imo were totally wrong in using one in the situation they were presented with. A man standing on a tiny ledge has no where to go but to the ground when he loses total bodily control while being tazed not one but three times. So the outcome would have been the same for this individual had they used the hollow point 45 or the tazer, but I guess he would have suffered less with the hollow point. The man was also clearly not in a normal state of mind, his mother said his meds were recently changed by the his doctor, and it appeared as though he was having a bad reaction to them. When you call the police for help, and they end up killing a loved one because the officer was, and I quote, "aggitated" I find those officers liable for that mans death, and find it totally inexcusable.
 
Alpine you're exactly right, the Tazer is a wonderful tool. I've been hit with one as well, but it wasn't in training, it was a bad shot at another guy while I was locked up lol. Anywho, the Tazers aren't the problem. It's the officers that are misusing them that are the problem. I watched a documentary about the guy who was coming to America from another country and didn't speak the language, and somehow, with no explanation, got stuck in customs for WAAY longer than he was supposed to be (which of course now no one knows why he was kept there so long) and not being able to speak the language, finally got pissed off, and was tased, tased, and tased again after he was down resulting in his death. It's the same argument as guns. It's not the tasers that are the problem, they are a great tool for law enforcement and for guys who take their job seriously and care about the people that they work for. I don't think anyone is trying to badmouth police officers or tasers, its just those certain officers that aren't deserving of the badge and weapons that they carry, who choose to make bad decisions, that cause the problems, NOT the tasers.
 
By no means am i trying to defend the officers actions. what they did was wrong. I am just defending the taser itself. People think its such a bad thing, but its an amazing little machine.When used correctly it is a better tool than this latop i use for RCNT every day. (gasp)I have done more damage with a pair of hand-cuffs than my taser. Before i had my taser I was cuffing this guy, he took a swing at me, i punched him in the face with the cuffs like brass knuckles, broke his nose, jaw and jacked up his eyesocket. If i had my taser, he would be spared a hell of a lot of pain. Now, i promise for the 5 second cycle of the taser, the pain would have been 10x worse than all of those injurys, but there would have been no permanent damage, and as stated, the pain would have only been for 5 seconds. And before some people go all Rodney King on me, he was white. lol
 
On the lighter side of tazing.........

Friends,

My wife Toni is fond of saying that my last words on this earth will be something akin to, "hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this!"

Well, I haveoutdone myself once again.

No doubt you will see this true story chronicled in a LifeTime movie in the near future.

Here goes….

Last weekend I spied something at Larry's Pistol and Pawn that tickled my fancy. (Note: Keep in mind that my "fancy" is easily tickled). I bought something really cool for Toni. The occasion was our 22nd anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my sweet girl. What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized Tazer gun with a clip. For those of you who are not familiar with this product, it is a less-than-lethal stun gun with two metal prongs designed to incapacitate an assailant with a shock of high-voltage, low amperage electricity while you flee to safety. The effects are supposed to be short lived, with no long-term adverse affect on your assailant, but allowing you adequate time to retreat to safety. You simply jab the prongs into your 250 lb. Tattooed assailant, push the button, and it will render him a slobbering, goggle-eyed, muscle-twitching, whimpering, pencil-neck geek. If you've never seen one of these things in action, then you're truly missing out--way too cool!

Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home. I loaded two triple-a batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button. Nothing! I was so disappointed. Upon reading the directions (we don't need no stinkin' directions), I found much to my chagrin that this particular model would not create an arch between the prongs. How disappointing! I do love fire for effect. I learned that if I pushed the button, however, and pressed it against a metal surface that I'd get the blue arch of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs that I was so looking forward to. I did so. Awesome!!! Sparks, a blue arch of electricity, and a loud pop!!! Yipeeeeee!! I'm easily amused, just for your information, but I have yet to explain to Toni what that burn spot is on the face of her microwave.

Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-a batteries, etc., etc. There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently (trusting little soul), reading the directions (that would be me, not Gracie) and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh and blood target. I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie for a fraction of a second and thought better of it. She is such a sweet kitty, after all. But, if I was going to give this thing to Toni to protect herself against a mugger, I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised. Am I wrong? Was I wrong to think that? Seemed reasonable to me at the time.

So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, Tazer in another. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water. All the while I'm looking at this little device (measuring about 5" long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference, pretty cute really, and loaded with two itsy, bitsy triple-a batteries) thinking to myself, "no friggin' way!" Friggin' way--trust me, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best. Those of you who know me well have got a pretty good idea of what followed. I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side as to say, "don't do it buddy," reasoning that a one-second burst from such a tiny lil' ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad (sound, rational thinking under the circumstances, wouldn't you agree?). I decided to give myself a one-second burst just for the hell of it. (Note: You k now, a bad decision is like hindsight—always twenty-twenty. It is so obvious that it was a bad decision after the fact, even though it seemed so right at the time. Don't ya hate that?)

I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and HOLY **************! DAaaaauuuuuuMN!!! I'm pretty sure that Jessie Ventura ran in through the front door, picked me up out of that recliner, then body slammed me on the carpet over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, soaking wet, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position. Gracie was standing over me making meowing sounds I had never heard before, licking my face, undoubtedly thinking to herself, "do it again, do it again!" (Note: If you ever feel compelled to mug yourself with a Tazer, one note of caution. There is no such thing as a one-second burst when you za p yourself. You're not going to let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor. Then, if you're lucky, you won't dislodge one of the prongs 1/4" deep in your thigh like yours truly.) SON-OF-A-***** that hurt! A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at this point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape. My reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace. How did they get there??? My triceps, right thigh and both titties were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, as my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. give or take an ounce or two, I'm pretty sure.

By the way, has anyone seen my testicles? I think they ran away. I'm offering a reward. They're round, rather large, kinda hairy, and handsome if I must say so myself.

Miss 'em . . . sure would like to get 'em back.
 
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Man I tell you what was bad. When I was locked up, I was still being processed in the holding cell after moving from a federal satellite prison (very nice facility) to the local parish factility (filthy, rundown because of the dirty politics, everytime the parish alloted money for repairs, the Sheriff swoozled it to his offshore bank account, and no one could figure out why it was such a rats hole lol). Anyway, back on topic. While I was in the holding tank, a guy came in that the cops had to let the dog loose on. I've seen some people get caught up in the middle of a dog fight, where the pits were jacked up on steroids and gunpowder, and they didn't come out looking nearly as bad as this guy. That K9 tore his ass up, it literally looked like he had been run over by a bushhog. I know he was hurting like a bitch, sitting there in a room with nothing but concrete, with open wounds getting infected by the second, and no pain medicine lol. I knew the K9's were badass because my neighbor is a K9 handler with the city police. But it's not until you see something like that, that makes you realise that it's always worth checking the backseat of a police car BEFORE you take off running haha.
 
CharliesTheMan said:
It's the same argument as guns. It's not the tasers that are the problem, they are a great tool for law enforcement and for guys who take their job seriously and care about the people that they work for. I don't think anyone is trying to badmouth police officers or tasers, its just those certain officers that aren't deserving of the badge and weapons that they carry, who choose to make bad decisions, that cause the problems, NOT the tasers.
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Very well put Charlie.

alpinehyperlite said:
And before some people go all Rodney King on me, he was white. lol
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Can't we all just get along! :hehe:
 
NCNitro said:
Very well put Charlie.



Can't we all just get along! :hehe:
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now where is the fun in that!:p:

But seriously those officers should be held responsible evidently someone did not make a full assessment of the situation before making that decision. I believe Alpine will agree they are trained to take all actions into consideration before acting. Granted some situations its hard to do when reactions are required quickly but this case seems like there was no big rush. I believe they should have also called a fire dept. in case he would jump if they would have been on scene even the tasing would have had different outcome.
 
There has been hundreds of instances i could have used my taser, but have only tased 4 people in the year or so I've had it. And yes, they deserved it.
 
alpinehyperlite said:
wtf is a liquid taser?
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Imagine this,
There the moment is that you must gain control of someone when suddenly you have this bright idea!
Suddenly you drop your lucky underpants and pee a stream strait onto the suspect, now imagine holding a tazer down there wile you do that..
same concept, but with a water gun instead of, well you know.
 
Thats thing is sick!
I wonder what the cost one one shell is?
Worth it either way, but I'm still curious.
 
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