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I got a GS Storm almost a Pro off the F/S forum from mcvickj. Its a very sweet ride with lots and lots of extras and Id like to say thanks for the deal man! He was very conservative in the f/s post as to what was really included in the deal. Anyway it has the OS .21 rg(p)x on it currently and is very low in compression, I was wondering what I should replace it with? I bought this buggy to race, it will be occasionally bashed, but mainly to race. I want a pullstart competition engine with some serious power, Ill be the first to say I dont know poop about racing a buggy, or anything else offroad for that matter. I tried to race my T-Maxx once at a new track, it ended up being a demo derby/bash so I never went back. I want to get into some serious style racing with this rig, may venture over to that jackson track where they do points and such. Is the GS Storm Pro a true racer or is it going to be like showing up at the on-road track with my RS4?
 
the storm will be just fine for racing. id suggest searching the GS Racing site to see if they list some good initial setups. it would be good to have a look at the track you will be racing on and ask some of the guys there how they would describe it. bumpy and rutted, or smooth. hard packed or soft. slippery or high bite. then use that info to find a good base setup from GS's site. you can then fine tune it from there. as for an engine. "pull-start" and "competition" are not 2 words used to describe the same engine. you can get a decent engine with a pullstart on it, but no true .21 competition engine comes that way. they are all started with a starterbox, by turning the flywheel. why not run the .21 rg for now to get used to the car and save your money. when it finally takes a dump on you. hopefully you will have enough to get a starter box and a decent-race bred mill. in the long run you will thank yourself for going with a starter box anyway.
 
Ya, I was thinking about getting the sleeve pinched by that osrocket dude and putting a new con. rod in it just to get use to the buggy. Man, I'm just a pullstart guy? I dont want to have to lug a box around to start my rides and there are other reasons I prefer a pullstart over any other way of starting. There has to be a good engine with pullstart? RB maybe, Serio? How do most tracks regulate mills in buggys? Can I only run a .21?
 
You will have to check with the track/tracks you plan on running to see if they will allow a bigger mill than .21. It is nice to run a .21 so if you go to a track that only allows .21's,you will be good to go.
 
Ill have to look but I do belive that RB has done a conversion for the ws711 for a pull start..I no I seen it some were.. Ill do some more checking for you and let you no
 
I know rb has a pullstart conversion for the ws7II. they had a guy at the track this weekend with 1 in a supermax and it flew. i would love to see what 1 of them would do in a buggy.
 
fantom's 21 w/a pull start. i'm goin that route (prolly non-pull, but same engine). 160 bux (plus 10 if u wanna run standard plugs, comes w/turbo plug button). cheap rebuilds and good power. even a rebuild service that they'll do for you cheap. very impressed by their .18s in the traxxas MTs, so i'm goin that route. the price of a new pod and either a p/s or even pinch and labor (4 the time u get w/it) on an RG, buy a new RG. my .02

-Ult
 
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I dont want to have to lug a box around to start my rides and there are other reasons I prefer a pullstart over any other way of starting. There has to be a good engine with pullstart? RB maybe, Serio? How do most tracks regulate mills in buggys? Can I only run a .21?
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joneser4u, no "good" engines come with a pullstart. This is because the good racing engines are all about performance and as silly as it sounds, the added weight of the pullstart assembly rotating with the engine slows it down. When the piston weighs not even 5 grams (edited), the weight of the oneway bearing has a dramatic impact on performance.

If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want a pull start on an RB, there are a couple of places that will reto-fit a hyper .21 crankshaft onto an RB engine. It isn't something you can do youself as it requires machining. But the end result is a RB WS7 with a pullstarter. The cost is silly. Buy the new engine $300. Pay for the conversion $100-$150. So now you have a $450 engine that has a less than desireable crankshaft in it.

The moral of the story is that the starterbox is a way of life. Yes you have to lug it and yes you have to charge it and yes you have to adjust those pegs so you can hit your flywheel.

Also WHEN you get a starter box, I highly suggest the single motor boxes that use a 12v gelcel battery.

One last note about your situation. You mentioned getting the RG squeezed. In all honesty, it's not worth it. At $100 it's a disposable engine. You can sell the carb on ebay for $30 (Hyper .21's love that carb) and then all you need is another $70 to buy a whole new engine.

If you still don't want to shell out for the starterbox (yet), get another RG with a pull start. That storm has obviously already been dremeled to accept the large RG pullstarter.

Sorry for writing a book, hope it helps.
 
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Ya, I was thinking about getting the sleeve pinched by that osrocket dude and putting a new con. rod in it just to get use to the buggy. Man, I'm just a pullstart guy? I dont want to have to lug a box around to start my rides and there are other reasons I prefer a pullstart over any other way of starting. There has to be a good engine with pullstart? RB maybe, Serio? How do most tracks regulate mills in buggys? Can I only run a .21?
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what is your problem with pull starts, do you have a car or do you walk to the track:) its only lugging if you gotto carry it manually to were your going, there are no issue with a good starter box, no pulling easy starting, if you crap out in a race you can restart a real breeze, not to mention that pull starts dont tend to last that long, and especially on a high performance motor, the compression kills them on the double.
 
THE hyper 21 pul start in 8 port or 4 port is not considered a high end mill in my book....thats why it comes in an "RTR" kit....any motor that comes in an rtr kit usually is made pullstarts for convience to the buyer.....

for racers all over the world...i think i say this with confidence when i say the first 2 things a real racer does to any rtr kit(if they do happen to buy a rtr rather than a kit) is replace the engine and get rid of the pullstart...then bearings and servos at the very least....no real racers will ever be caught with a pullstart motor as it slows the engine performance drastically....and if you have ever had to fight a slipping one way bearing...you'll go get a starter box out of just pure anger....lol
 
Guys I tried a starterbox with on-road and didnt care for it at all, I also like the way with the pullstart I can feel each stroke of the mill, letting me know there is no issues with binding and I get a good feel on the compression as well. All my nitros have ps and thats the way I wanna keep it. When my engines are broken in and tuned 1st or 2nd pull evertime, even at opperating temp. Pullstarts dont last long? The pullstart on 1 of my savage S-25s has around 3 gallons on it and the one on one of my RS4s with the .15fe has probably 5 gallons on it, both will probably break now since I was braggin on em but damn, $15 a piece? I can deal with that.


Guys I wanna be competitive but I'm not going for a gold cup, I wanna race for fun and to be around more nitros and people that share my hobby, I dont think the places I will race is sending anyone to the nationals. :cheers:
 
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Guys I tried a starterbox with on-road and didnt care for it at all.
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I agree

joneser4u said:
The pullstart on 1 of my savage S-25s has around 3 gallons on it and the one on one of my RS4s with the .15fe has probably 5 gallons on it, both will probably break now since I was braggin on em but damn, $15 a piece? I can deal with that.
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LMAO Buy them now since you did say it.
 
Thanks, I looked and found that mill on both sites just not with a ps.
 
If I am correct that particular engine does not come in a pull start model.
 
mikeburgin said:
a starter box has problems turning those babies over, trust me i no, youd just rip the ps clean of the back of the motor first pull
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Not necessarily. If you pre-heat the head with a dryer for a few minutes, you can ease the starting of the motor.
 

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